What if Kurds Were Palestinians?

[jjmuneer]

The palestinian cause has become internalised within Human rights discourse, and Muslim movements, the Kurdish cause in contrast has been marginalised, and sidelined. Kurdish population is close to 40million while palestinian population exceeds four million, but enjoy the sympathy and support of the Arab world. It is not just Arabs who have neglected Kurdish people, and their struggles, but the Muslim world has maintained a cowardly silence throughout history. Arab suffering has always taken precedence over Kurdish suffering in the Muslim world, we are often referred to as the world's 'unfortunate Muslims' because when Kurdish people were being massacred in Halabja, and Dersim, the Muslim world -- our brethren in faith remained deaf and blind.

At academic institutions, Muslim students often refer to the suffering of palestinians within seminars hosted by the Islamic society, sometimes going as far as co-hosting events with other societies to raise awareness and support for Palestinians, but never bothering to look a little further than Palestine to glimpse over the decades of brutality, state-sanctioned discrimination, ethnic cleansing, censorship of Kurdish identity, forced assimilation and inhumane treatment of Kurdish people throughout Middle east.

There is a prophetic saying, which I have heard at many seminars, oftentimes used in reference to Palestinians: 'The Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain.' Unfortunately for Kurdish people, they have always been the numb limbs of this Ummah, their suffering have been ignored, and pleas for help overlooked. In fact, Kurdish people are the only Muslims in the world with a Fatwa against them, issued by the Iranian republic.

Kurdish people celebrated Newroz on the 21st of March, and attempted to hold celebratory events in Turkey prior to it, but were banned from hosting an annual event to celebrate the start of a new Kurdish year until the set date by the government. Turkish police responded by using riot gear, tear-gas, water-canons, and using live ammunition to disperse Kurds who had gathered to celebrate. It resulted in the killing of one Kurdish politician, dozens injured, and hundreds arrested. Prominent Muslim speakers, who are often too-ready to speak on Palestinians took a cowardly step back, and remained silent.

Muslim leaders have used the palestinian cause as a popularity chip, while ignoring equally horrific sufferings of Muslims around the world. The richest Muslim states have ignored the suffering of Somalians, Afghans and Kurds for centuries -- mentioning them, and sending donations when they need a popularity boost.

[jjmuneer]

Well, fuck Palestinians and Arabs. Our Jewish / Israeli brothers will silence them and, if necessary, for ever. I don't mind them killing Arab terrorists.

Israel is the land of the Jews. The Arabs occupied it. Kurdistan is the land of the Kurds. The Arabs, Turks and Persians occupied it.
Jews were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs. Kurds were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

I don't care how much attention those sand monkeys get from their coward Arab 'brothers'. Israel is able to silence the entire Arab world and will piss on their bodies afterwards.

We, Kurds, have struggled for our freedom ON OUR OWN. Yes, we got support from the USA and they are our allies too. And the Jews also supported Barzani in the 60's and 70's. They sended weapons to SK and there were even Israeli political and high military leaders in Kurdistan, to support the Kurdish cause. They still do.

Palestines will never accomplish anything. They use their children as suicide bombs to kill INNOCENT Jews. Fuck the Arabs. They have like 25 countries, Kurds have NONE. The Jews have only one country and it is only 20,000 KM2 and the uneducated mongol Arabs want to take that to? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Every action from Israel against the Arabs is their full right. They're defending themselves. I hope the Jews take over entire Israel + colonize all other parts. It's theirs, why not? They are not stealing anything.

No Arab country will have the balls to stop Israel because they're all pussies who have a big mouth.

What about the time when our "Israeli brothers" help in the arrest of Serok APO?

[brendar]

Well, fuck Palestinians and Arabs. Our Jewish / Israeli brothers will silence them and, if necessary, for ever. I don't mind them killing Arab terrorists.

Israel is the land of the Jews. The Arabs occupied it. Kurdistan is the land of the Kurds. The Arabs, Turks and Persians occupied it.
Jews were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs. Kurds were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

I don't care how much attention those sand monkeys get from their coward Arab 'brothers'. Israel is able to silence the entire Arab world and will piss on their bodies afterwards.

We, Kurds, have struggled for our freedom ON OUR OWN. Yes, we got support from the USA and they are our allies too. And the Jews also supported Barzani in the 60's and 70's. They sended weapons to SK and there were even Israeli political and high military leaders in Kurdistan, to support the Kurdish cause. They still do.

Palestines will never accomplish anything. They use their children as suicide bombs to kill INNOCENT Jews. Fuck the Arabs. They have like 25 countries, Kurds have NONE. The Jews have only one country and it is only 20,000 KM2 and the uneducated mongol Arabs want to take that to? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Every action from Israel against the Arabs is their full right. They're defending themselves. I hope the Jews take over entire Israel + colonize all other parts. It's theirs, why not? They are not stealing anything.

No Arab country will have the balls to stop Israel because they're all pussies who have a big mouth.

Very well said, I appreciate what you have written because what you have written is a straight forward truth which "islamic" kurds or rest of the world have the lack of understanding!

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First of all, It is better to commit suicide than comparing the kurdish issue with the so called "palastinians", let everyone know why:

Israel has always been the land of jews and the so called "Palastine" land (at the moment) is an israeli land, because the arabs sold it to them, just as alaska. They will have to dream about it, unless jews change their mind because if all muslims unite, they would not be able to kill even a "bird" in Israel .

To sum up everything:

KURDISTAN IS A KURDISH LAND AND IF ANYONE THINKS IT IS SIMILAR AS PALASTINE OR EVEN REFERRING TO PALASTINE ISSUE AS THE KURDISH ISSUE, THEN THIS MEANS YOU ARE SAYING THAT KURDS LIVE ON A STOLEN LAND LIKE REFUGEES. THEREFORE, IF ANYONE HAS ANY DOUBT THEN, ASK GOD OR mr mohamad.

[brendar]

Well, fuck Palestinians and Arabs. Our Jewish / Israeli brothers will silence them and, if necessary, for ever. I don't mind them killing Arab terrorists.

Israel is the land of the Jews. The Arabs occupied it. Kurdistan is the land of the Kurds. The Arabs, Turks and Persians occupied it.
Jews were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs. Kurds were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

I don't care how much attention those sand monkeys get from their coward Arab 'brothers'. Israel is able to silence the entire Arab world and will piss on their bodies afterwards.

We, Kurds, have struggled for our freedom ON OUR OWN. Yes, we got support from the USA and they are our allies too. And the Jews also supported Barzani in the 60's and 70's. They sended weapons to SK and there were even Israeli political and high military leaders in Kurdistan, to support the Kurdish cause. They still do.

Palestines will never accomplish anything. They use their children as suicide bombs to kill INNOCENT Jews. Fuck the Arabs. They have like 25 countries, Kurds have NONE. The Jews have only one country and it is only 20,000 KM2 and the uneducated mongol Arabs want to take that to? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Every action from Israel against the Arabs is their full right. They're defending themselves. I hope the Jews take over entire Israel + colonize all other parts. It's theirs, why not? They are not stealing anything.

No Arab country will have the balls to stop Israel because they're all pussies who have a big mouth.

What about the time when our "Israeli brothers" help in the arrest of Serok APO?

I tell you why, go and ask the "muslims" when they kicked out all jews in kurdistan, then come and say why they arrested Serok APO. They have all rights to do anything they want because they hate something thats called "MUSLIMS", I can tell you why as well.

[jjmuneer]

Well, fuck Palestinians and Arabs. Our Jewish / Israeli brothers will silence them and, if necessary, for ever. I don't mind them killing Arab terrorists.

Israel is the land of the Jews. The Arabs occupied it. Kurdistan is the land of the Kurds. The Arabs, Turks and Persians occupied it.
Jews were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs. Kurds were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

I don't care how much attention those sand monkeys get from their coward Arab 'brothers'. Israel is able to silence the entire Arab world and will piss on their bodies afterwards.

We, Kurds, have struggled for our freedom ON OUR OWN. Yes, we got support from the USA and they are our allies too. And the Jews also supported Barzani in the 60's and 70's. They sended weapons to SK and there were even Israeli political and high military leaders in Kurdistan, to support the Kurdish cause. They still do.

Palestines will never accomplish anything. They use their children as suicide bombs to kill INNOCENT Jews. Fuck the Arabs. They have like 25 countries, Kurds have NONE. The Jews have only one country and it is only 20,000 KM2 and the uneducated mongol Arabs want to take that to? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Every action from Israel against the Arabs is their full right. They're defending themselves. I hope the Jews take over entire Israel + colonize all other parts. It's theirs, why not? They are not stealing anything.

No Arab country will have the balls to stop Israel because they're all pussies who have a big mouth.

What about the time when our "Israeli brothers" help in the arrest of Serok APO?

I tell you why, go and ask the "muslims" when they kicked out all jews in kurdistan, then come and say why they arrested Serok APO. They have all rights to do anything they want because they hate something thats called "MUSLIMS", I can tell you why as well.

I asked a geniune question, I'm not here to argue, if your Kurdish.

[brendar]

Well, fuck Palestinians and Arabs. Our Jewish / Israeli brothers will silence them and, if necessary, for ever. I don't mind them killing Arab terrorists.

Israel is the land of the Jews. The Arabs occupied it. Kurdistan is the land of the Kurds. The Arabs, Turks and Persians occupied it.
Jews were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs. Kurds were massacred, and are still hated by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

I don't care how much attention those sand monkeys get from their coward Arab 'brothers'. Israel is able to silence the entire Arab world and will piss on their bodies afterwards.

We, Kurds, have struggled for our freedom ON OUR OWN. Yes, we got support from the USA and they are our allies too. And the Jews also supported Barzani in the 60's and 70's. They sended weapons to SK and there were even Israeli political and high military leaders in Kurdistan, to support the Kurdish cause. They still do.

Palestines will never accomplish anything. They use their children as suicide bombs to kill INNOCENT Jews. Fuck the Arabs. They have like 25 countries, Kurds have NONE. The Jews have only one country and it is only 20,000 KM2 and the uneducated mongol Arabs want to take that to? LOL!!!!!!!!!

Every action from Israel against the Arabs is their full right. They're defending themselves. I hope the Jews take over entire Israel + colonize all other parts. It's theirs, why not? They are not stealing anything.

No Arab country will have the balls to stop Israel because they're all pussies who have a big mouth.

What about the time when our "Israeli brothers" help in the arrest of Serok APO?

Well, different times and they just provided the information, they didn't really help in the arrest of him.
Besides, Israel is supporting the PKK now with weapons and military training, they have very good relationships with South-Kurdistan, there are OVER 300,000 THOUSAND KURDISH JEWS, more than 220,000 of them live in Israel and a lot of them claim high political and military positions.

Man, the minister of Defence of Israel (maybe the most powerfull position in Israel) was a Kurd for like 4 years, originally from Zaxo!
The mayor of a large city in Israel is Kurdish (Zvi Barzani, mayor of the large city Ramat Gan, city with a population of more than 180,000!).

We will never know the reason for Israel's help to Turkey in capturing Apo. Maybe there were problems between the PKK and Israel, or a corrupt Israeli politican betrayed the PKK in exchange of money. And if that's true, Israel will never tell it because that's bad publicity, maybe they just played along. Again; we will never know.

But what counts is what is happening today.

again, well said bro, Israel captured 1 kurdish person, but ISLAM destroyed Millions Millions Millions Millions Millions Millions of kurds, but people think this doesnt count because the presidents who command the armies are not muslims or they are bad muslims, what a joke.

To add to your comment, lets make it clear who kills/killed kurds throughout the history:

Who kills MIllions of kurds in Northern kurdistan, jews, christians, or MUSLIMS?
Who kills MIllions of kurds in Eastern kurdistan, jews, christians, or MUSLIMS?
Who kills MIllions of kurds in Western kurdistan, jews, christians, or MUSLIMS?
Who kills MIllions of kurds in Southern kurdistan, jews, christians, or MUSLIMS?

[kurdistanis1]

We're not Palestinians.

Why are you being so dumb against muslims? lol calm down big guy, no need to be so racist. Israel hasn't done **** for us, in fact they have been helping our enemies for years and they still do. Who sold Turkey all those weapons in the 90's and who still does? so it's ok if Israel is somehow "helping" us now, but we forget all the pain they have caused us? Quit being such a suck up, Kurdish Jews in israel haven't done anything for us and still don't. Phalastinians deserve a state just like we do, lets not go against other peoples hope, just because others have done it do us. I also don't call any other ethnic groups "brothers", just because they might share my religion.

I really don't give a damn if a Kurd is Muslim Jewish or Christian or has no religion at all as long as they call themselves Kurds first and do what they can to help their people and nation. How about you quit begging Israel for help and actually do something yourself and stop your mindless hating.

[talsor]

I think the Major problem that most Kurds have with Israel is their unrelenting support for turkey which translate to an anti Kurdish agenda .No one can deny that and the Israeli UVA(Heron & Eitan) are flying over Kurdistan as I write this killing kurds , so please do not put your head in the sand and we should not have any reservation just because it is Isreal . And Isreali's export to turkey is not even limited to UVAs , the list includes Armored Personnel , tanks , rockets , Radars and so on and this is the respect turkey pays Isreal .

[alan131210]

What about the new turkish shampoo ad which has hitler as the main person !!!

[talsor]

What about the new turkish shampoo ad which has hitler as the main person !!!

Given a chance those Barbarian would not hesitate for a second to destroy Israel . Did they ally themselves with Germany during the war ?

[alan131210]

i dont care what they did for us , but i want help now , i want Israel to sell us F16 Fighter jets and we can call it even .

[talsor]

Sorry to offend you, but I think you are really stupid

does insulting other makes you feel better or do you actually think it has some sort of impact ?

You are blaming Israel for making money by trading with Turkey. This is just bull shit. Every country in the world trades to make money and in the Middle-East military trade is a good business.

Let me see your genius logic here ...they are our friends as you claim , but in the mean time you are OK with them indirectly participating in killing us just to make money ? . Perhaps Kurds should put their principles aside too and start helping Iran , I'm sure we will make plenty of money too . You can not validate murder my friend , murder is murder and Israel is an active participant here and they should not claim virtue and principles considering they are well aware that these weapons are being used to kill , oppress the Kurds .

So do you also blame South-Kurdistan for trading with Turkey? Turkey is at this moment South-Kurdistans biggest trader. We will need Turkey in the future to boost the economy of South-Kurdistan.

trading beans and wheat is different that UVA and tanks . Can you tell the difference in use ?

You can't expect that every country in the world will do everything in the favor of one people (in this case the Kurds). That is romantic, but very, very unrealistic!

You are generalizing here , and going by your logic the Iraqi government can validate Halabja and the Nazis can validate the holocaust ! .I do not expect anything from any country , What I'm pointing out is that Israel is not a friend and they are actively participating in Killing Kurds in the North . The action is measured by the end results and they end results of Israel's support to turkey here is killing and oppression of the Kurds . If you can accept that in the name of trade or making money , then you have some serious moral issue

Israel was not allways powerfull like this. More than 6 million Jews were killed during World War 2. Nobody helped them. Even the Americans didn't, although THEY KNEW were the concentration camps were located AND THEY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE CONCENTRATION CAMPS (the top did).

Thanks for the listen in the history , wow I did not know that .

Is Israel blaming them for not helping them in the past? No. Is Israel blaming other countries (besides of Germany) for what they've done to them in the past? No. Not anymore. And there are still millions of people left who were alive and witnessed World War 2.

Yes they did and Israel went and continue to go after those who collaborating with the Nazis in Argentina ,Australia,Belgium , former Czechoslovakia , Estonia ,France, Greece , Norway, Poland and so on . Read "Isreal's Nazi Collaborators Punishment Law 1 August 1950".

and thank you for answering your own question . Do you think it was right for some countries to support the Nazi movement in committing murder ?. Do you think fear, trade or making money was a valid reason for indirectly participating in killing 6 million jews ?

And why don't you mention Israel's military support to South-Kurdistan in the 60's and 70's? Israel has even admitted this.

We all know that countering Iranian and Arab influence in the region is the main reason , so yes they did the right thing for the wrong reasons though .

[Rando]

every nation serves their own interest. no country will do something if their countries interest is not in it.
israel sold weapons to turkey because it was in its interest. but now it don`t (i hope) sell weapons because they don`t trust turkey anymore and the weapons could be used against israel later.
They help kurds now because it is in their interest. They need allies against iran and turkey, because both those countries have become increaseily hostile to israel. and the kurds of iran and turkey would be the best (not to mention cheapest) way to hurt iran/turkey. The worst type of war is internal war/conflict.

[kurdistanis1]

I think the Major problem that most Kurds have with Israel is their unrelenting support for turkey which translate to an anti Kurdish agenda .No one can deny that and the Israeli UVA(Heron & Eitan) are flying over Kurdistan as I write this killing kurds , so please do not put your head in the sand and we should not have any reservation just because it is Isreal . And Isreali's export to turkey is not even limited to UVAs , the list includes Armored Personnel , tanks , rockets , Radars and so on and this is the respect turkey pays Isreal .

Sorry to offend you, but I think you are really stupid. You are blaming Israel for making money by trading with Turkey. This is just bull shit. Every country in the world trades to make money and in the Middle-East military trade is a good business.

So do you also blame South-Kurdistan for trading with Turkey? Turkey is at this moment South-Kurdistans biggest trader. We will need Turkey in the future to boost the economy of South-Kurdistan.

You can't expect that every country in the world will do everything in the favor of one people (in this case the Kurds). That is romantic, but very, very unrealistic!

Israel was not allways powerfull like this. More than 6 million Jews were killed during World War 2. Nobody helped them. Even the Americans didn't, although THEY KNEW were the concentration camps were located AND THEY KNEW WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE CONCENTRATION CAMPS (the top did). Is Israel blaming them for not helping them in the past? No. Is Israel blaming other countries (besides of Germany) for what they've done to them in the past? No. Not anymore. And there are still millions of people left who were alive and witnessed World War 2.

And why don't you mention Israel's military support to South-Kurdistan in the 60's and 70's? Israel has even admitted this.

Actually you are the dumb one here, because Israel continues to blackmail countries using the Holocaust. You would think after what Jews went through during ww2 they would help other oppressed people, but they actually help the oppressors. Your begging and sucking up to Israel is rather embarrassing to be honest and you have lost any credit you might of had. If Israel wants to help us now that's great, but lets not act like they're our saviors. We don't owe anything to anyone and we shouldn't bow to any nation.

[alan131210]

Boys no personal attacks pls