BDP member celebrates Turkish Republic Day

[Cewlik]

One last thing there are some organizations which in my view if they had a bigger support would do big things but they are practically non existent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l1t6sa5WD0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHLX5Phawd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECppR6Cyws&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l6E7tgXjLY&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKHPMNAy2tM

Just done after some quick youtubeing but listen too how beautiful their voices are when they say BIJI KURDISTAN! BIJI NEWROZ! BIJI AZADIYA KURDISTAN!
Those are chants worth a god damn thing, not BIJI SEROK APO. With their Ala rengin they show that hope still exist in Bakur and watching these videos makes any kurdistani and pan-kurdistani happy and surely makes our brethren from both Bashur and Rojhelat especially but also Rojava more in contact with the people of bakur and creates a feeling of that we are in it together, until the end.

Im done here.

100% agree!

[kardox]

I sometimes suspect that even though they speak turkish, their turkish isn't even that good, so why aren't they just speaking Kurdish, the audience is Kurds and I don't think turks even bother listening to them. It is like All these stupid singers that sing Turkish with a biiiiiiig kurdish accent, and only Kurds buy this kind of music anyways, so why the hell do they even bother singing in turkish?

[hevalo27]

kemal burkay is a little bastard. he is a nobody. goes to turkish medias and call our schehids terrorist.
he shoul criticize the PKK in a patriotic way and not kiss erdogans ass

[Qoser]

I would appreciate it if you people wouldn't speak on my behalf i haven't said a word about Kemal Burkay or Hak-Par as a political organization and I do not support them in anyway other then their work in keeping our culture and for their campaigns for the Kurdish language which all of you can see is very effective and creates a nationalistic feeling.
Having said that, I think about when Hak-Par at their max can get down 10000 people too the street and they can do campaigns and demos like these ones, it totally amazes you when the BDP can bring down 1 million people and yet i don't think their demos are more effective in any way, just a thought.

Imagine 1 000 000 people with Ala rengin and DEMANDING that the Turks MUST give us our rights and what it's rightfully ours, the society wouldn't work, if all of Amed would go down and protest in a peaceful manner with slogans that actually mean something instead of Biji Serok Apo. Nearly all of their demos are about "Komploya navnetewî li hemberê Abdullah Ocalan" or something like that it's almost disgusting actually.

[Qonyeyi]

Do you remember back in 2010 when Kurdish people in their masses went to Qandil to stand as human shields for the guerillas? Do you remember the '' Edi Bese'' campaign? Do you remember when Kurdish cities closed schools and shops against the decission from Turkish High board against Kurdish language?

It is the masses that will change the direction of politics, not slogans. It is the masses that are shouting Biji Serok Apo that are sacrificing their lives for the Kurdish people, their rights for self determination and their cultural and language rights. It is the masses that are shouting Biji Serok Apo that are on the streets standing face to face with the biggest fascist ever in history. The fascist that does not hesitate to molest children and pop 13 bullets in children. It is the masses that are shouting Biji Serok Apo that are hunger striking on 50th day for you and me. It is the people chanting Biji Serok Apo that are speaking Kurdish in court well knowing that it might increase their chances of prison and torture. It is the people chanting Biji Serok Apo that are being harassed at Unis, schools and work by fascist dogs. It is the people chanting Biji Serok Apo who are risking their lives, their careers, their everything for the Kurdish cause.

Where are the HAK PARs? Ok, let us say that you are right. Let us say that chanting Biji Kurdistan is what makes the difference. Why dont HAK PAR or whoever go on the streets and chant this and face the consequences?

I am just happy that some people are doing something for our cause. I am just happy that some people are willing to sacrifice what they have so that Kurdistan and our leaders can become free. I do not care if they chant Biji Serok apo, biji kurdistan, biji this or biji that. For my sake, they can chant Biji Somalia as long as they are fighting for Kurdish rights. But fact remains; The Kurds chanting Biji Serok Apo are the most proud Kurds, the most honourable Kurds and the most sacrificing Kurds in NK and Turkey. You know this, I know this. The fact that you bash them on words is just going to show how eager you are to find some sort of ''fault'' in these people.

Really, is there nothing more, is there nothing else to criticise about these people than their slogans? If not, I am glad. Then it means Apocis have succeded. It means people have to use strawmen argumentation to find something to criticise about them. So thank you.

[Qoser]

Do you know something, it's not only the biji serok Apo slogans that is disturbing too me it's the fact that members/followers of the PKK and BDP CANNOT under ANY circumstances accept criticism, which too me is one of the big problems and do you really want to know what the biggest problem of them all is?

That is if any other kurdish party is too cooperate with the PKK/KCK/BDP or whatever is that it MUST be on their terms! There is only one leader and he is holy nobody can ever be smarter then him you may not offend him.
Too me it's a sickly behavior i myself have had several of my closest family members that have passed away during fighting for a free Kurdistan against the Turkish jendarmie, and didn't Apo during the worst years 92-93 say do not get captured save a bullet for your self and do not get captured alive.

That is what hurts me the most that my family members killed themselves before they got captured and didn't accept turkish tyranny but your dear APO whom got captured and embarrassed in front of the whole world, yet you continue too support him til death not so long ago a boy in Midyat burned himself 15 years of age in protest too his captivate. And if you cannot see this please i beg of you don't answer this, because it's truly a very sensitive subject, if you think i am alone in feeling like this then you are a fool. I think that every family who have shehids and have had family members killed against the turks should not accept öcalan as their leader because of the double standards, hypocrite and cowardly acts of him just that alone proves too me that he is not fit too be a leader, for if your not ready too die for your struggle then you are not worth anything too the struggle. I drifted of and it got a bit personal but i felt it was necessary sorry for that.

By the way we where talking only about BDP/PKK fight against cultural assimilation and the kurdish language in which they have failed FATALLY but i only wished that this was the case, but in this thread we are talking about this.

Im done here i knew i shouldn't have brought this up but you apocis are so ignorant and so stubborn and blind sided that you bring out the worst in people.

[unitedkurdistan]

Oh wow. You found videos where Kurdish politicians are speaking Turkish? How convincing... Not

I can find speeches held by the self same politicians in Kurdish. But I am not going to post videos that everyone can find where BDP politicians are speaking in Kurdish, because the fact remains that BDP has done everything in its power to promote Kurdish. Ahmet Turk got beaten and got prison sentenced and censored for speaking Kurdish... Do you really think it is because he does NOT want to speak Kurdish that he speaks Turkish?

BDP filed more than a thousand cases in parliament for the use of Kurdish language. I want to know of there is any entity in or outside of Turkey and NK that have done the same as BDP... Maybe you can mention one?

You say BDP does nothing for Kurdish language. That is an extremely dangerous thought. BDP might not do enough ( in your opinion) but then again, compared to what? What other party/organisation/country does the same great job as BDP in promoting Kurdish language in and outside of NK/ Turkey?

To be honest i really don't have the energy too discuss with apocis and such fanatics but i will tell you this, there is NO other party/organization that is still intact since the PKK have targeted these organizations and parties, even you can't argue against me on this on several occasions has the PKK admitted that they have acted wrong and that they wished that they hadn't done that, yet they repeat themselves. It's not something new that the PKK/BDP is a very totalitarian organization where they do not accept having another kurdish party too balance them out.

And yeah another thing i want too show you all, a picture which too me explains it all.
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/523941_330146437051589_538327103_n.jpg

Yes, this is a part of PKK's mentality, stalinist mentality. They don't accept other kurdish parties to have influence where they have influence. Which may be a reason why PKK/BDP are the strongest parties in N.K

[Qonyeyi]

Oh wait. So you had to bring up the '' I have shehihds in my family, my arguement is more valid and sensitive than yours''. Quite frankly, do not get me wrong, and do not take it personally, but I do not give much for that arguement. I am sure many on these boards have had shehihds in their family in one way or another, or in other ways have had people from their families make a sacrifice for Kurds. I know I have, but I never bring it into a discussion because it never will become logical then. Again, a strawman's arguement. Same typical arguements are brought up whenever someone gets caught up in a corner, not knowing what to say or write. Again, I do not give one single thought ( in the discussion) towards that kind of '' give me pitty'' arguements.

( I might sound cynical, but please note that I am very sorry for your loses. I know how it feels.)

But let us again look at the way you think. Ok, I understand, you had people sacrifice their lives in your family and want to blame Ocalan for that. I remember I used to do the same back in the days. I mean, why would Ocalan not sacrifice his life when he asked other people to the same?

But then I thought, I can never put myself in the same shoes as other people who have suffered. Likewise, I can never put myself in the shoes of Apo in the moment he was caught.

What I do respect Apo for, is that he never gave up on the Kurdish cause. And somehow I am happy that he got caught and still is alive. I am happy that he got less patriarchal, less dictator-like and less arrogant. He might have been an intellectual and good leader back in the days, but he was too totalitarian somehow. In jail, he had the time to emphasize on his ideas, while the common leaderships of BDP, PKK and KCK could do their work.

In retrospect, I am happy that Apo did not take his own life. I am happy that PKK still regards him as a leader. Imagine what kind of internal battles and leader fauds would have happend inside PKK between the various leaders? I believe Apo was and is the only thing holding the Kurdish cause together. I think the PKK leaders ( Karayilan, Bahoz Erdal, Kalkan, Cemil Bayik) would have had an internal faud if they did not agree on Apo still being the leader even though he was in capture. And this faud would probably have destroyed PKK since different parts ( both inside and outside of NK) would side with different leaders.

[burnsss]

really low to bring in emotional arguments, we all suffered in the hands of the terrorist enemies and the blame is only on them and no one else. my advice to Northern kurds is that only resistance will bring liberation and nothing else, the enemy will do anything to occupy us and no demonstration is going to stop that. When your cause is ignored by the world and EU and united states there will be no changes with demonstrations, since they support mongolian in the first place and will only talk and not pressure them.

[Qoser]

Actually Ive cooped with my losses very well and i am truly happy for that they died for what they believed in, but i didn't bring them up to play the pity card, no i brought them up cause i wanted too show what kind of leader Apo is, do you really for real think that the Turks aren't playing with him they are the most dictatorial state after north Korea in my opinion when it comes too the kurds, but you really think that they have let Apo running PKK after his own will?

That is incredibly naive too think that, and for you too think that PKK would crumble without him is a joke if a organization is only relying on one person, then it's really bad because he is going too die just so you know what will the PKK do then? OH apo died our struggle will die with it? Total bullsh*t, people come and go, parties come and go so please stop with this idol worshiping because it's only making the PKK look like a sect where their leader is everything.

You can mock Hak-Par and whomever you like i couldn't care less but ask a bashuri kurd too watch a the videos i posted and ask them what feeling they get only from those few demos. You must understand too become a nation we have too work together too strengthen our bonds because we have been separated for almost 100 years, in this point the PKK have also failed in my view. You will now bring up KCK, let me tell you something KCK is nothing, it's only a organization for PKK parties where they all have one ideology Apoism instead of kurdistanism.

[Qoser]

really low to bring in emotional arguments, we all suffered in the hands of the terrorist enemies and the blame is only on them and no one else. my advice to Northern kurds is that only resistance will bring liberation and nothing else, the enemy will do anything to occupy us and no demonstration is going to stop that. When your cause is ignored by the world and EU and united states there will be no changes with demonstrations, since they support mongolian in the first place and will only talk and not pressure them.

Yeah i know it was a momentarily laps but i didn't bring them up too give my arguments affirmation or to play the pity card but nonetheless it's tacky and i shouldn't have done that.

[Qonyeyi]

Listen dear friend, PKK works for all parts of Kurdistan. Their actions speaks louder than words - LITTERALY! Their activity and organizational work is what matters. Not if they speak Turkish, Kurdish or somali or whatever. Not if they shout this or that slogan. As I have mentioned before. PKK is the only party that works in all four parts of Kurdistan. Their sacrifices are big and that is why they are winning. Even though KRG shut down PCDK in SK.

[Cewlik]

A meeting of the BDP two days ago in the city of Siverek. They have set up the portrait of Öcalan beside that of Atagays and Turkish flags.

[Nubahar]

We are speak to no avail. because when we say it's wrong way, They want to lynch us...
We say we want Kurdistan they are say nooooooooooooooo noooooooooooooooooooo hahahooooooooo noooooo:
Kurdisatn is bad for kurds we need democratic.... f***...... i m so soryy