Serekani (Raʾs al-ʿAyn): Heavy fighting between PYD and FSA

[FeyliKurd]

To hell with religion! Kurds and Kurdistan is the only thing that matters!

Ezidis are our brothers and sisters and they have always supported a free Kurdistan.

[unitedkurdistan]

To hell with religion! Kurds and Kurdistan is the only thing that matters!

Ezidis are our brothers and sisters and they have always supported a free Kurdistan.

apparently someone disagrees and sees them as jashes.

[Qonyeyi]

Its a shame you had to draw in Yezidis in this deiscussion Cewlik. Given their small size and the amount of oppression they have endured, they are the major contributor to the Kurdish parties. In that sense, you hypothesis fails.

[Cewlik]

Nobody can know it but I think the Yezidis would form alliances with nationalistic and secular movements in the states they live if they would be the majority of the Kurdish population. It would be very similar to how the christians act now. Or how it is now in Armenia, where 99% of the Yezidis say that they dont are Kurds.

Its a shame you had to draw in Yezidis in this deiscussion Cewlik.

Islam is a virus thats why! In a muslim point of view, islam is the only religion that must be worshiped. The muslim kurds are not kurds, but rather arab followers.

[Qonyeyi]

You deliberately fell down to same low level as the guy mentioning Muslims in a very negative way. That is not an excuse to include Yezidi in this discussion. Besides, everybody can make hypothetic things up. I could say the same with Muslims ( even though I am a Muslim myself). I could say '' Had Kurds been Christians, we would not of fell for enemy Islamic propaganda as seen in AKP and Mullah Regime''. But what good will that make? We will never know. So stop the idiotic hypothetic claims.

[Cewlik]

You deliberately fell down to same low level as the guy mentioning Muslims in a very negative way.

Not to much bro, yes I said wrong thinks but not in the same way like them. I just wanted to show them that I can make a similar propaganda against the Yezidis like they make against Muslim Kurds. But where will that end?

I agree with you that such discussions are not useful for Kurds, I already ask them to stop that, but the guy with the not so well chosen name "unitedkurdistan" dont want to stop with this discussion.

[FeyliKurd]

To hell with religion! Kurds and Kurdistan is the only thing that matters!

Ezidis are our brothers and sisters and they have always supported a free Kurdistan.

apparently someone disagrees and sees them as jashes.

I'm atheist but I respect Yazdânism more than Islam. Why? Because it is purely Kurdish. Islam on the other hand, is not Kurdish.

With that said, I have nothing against Muslims in general, I respect Muslim people. My whole family is muslim. Just say to all those who think Êzidis are jashes ... How can they be? Their writing is in Kurdish, their faith is Kurdish, their culture is Kurdish ... they are 100% Kurdish. And despite the fact that Muslim Kurds have betrayed them many times throughout history, the majority of them are still loyal to Kurdistan.

[unitedkurdistan]

You deliberately fell down to same low level as the guy mentioning Muslims in a very negative way.

Not to much bro, yes I said wrong thinks but not in the same way like them. I just wanted to show them that I can make a similar propaganda against the Yezidis like they make against Muslim Kurds. But where will that end?

I agree with you that such discussions are not useful for Kurds, I already ask them to stop that, but the guy with the not so well chosen name "unitedkurdistan" dont want to stop with this discussion.

Propaganda?? I see these as simple facts:
"Yes we need a united nationalistic freedom movement but how can we gain that when so many religous kurds in bakur gives their votes and support to AKP instead of BDP which supports a united nationalistic freedom movement.
I say it again, I have nothing against Islam and I know that there are those religous kurds who have tried to create a kurdish muslim party but I havn't seen so much action from them on that matter, have you?
When will you realise that our enemies uses islam to divide us."

But as always when someone says something that you find hurtful to islam you start bringing up ezedis from nowhere into the discussion, saying "if we were ezedis, we would all be jashes". Which has nothing to do what we first talked about and is completly false and wrong and contributes to nothing except hatred between kurds.
How can I stop this discussion when you call your own brothers and sisters for JASHES.
So just because I don't like the kurdish jashes who have allowed themselves to be brainwashed by religion(in this case Islam) means I do propaganda against muslim kurds?

[Cewlik]

"Yes we need a united nationalistic freedom movement but how can we gain that when so many religous kurds in bakur gives their votes and support to AKP instead of BDP which supports a united nationalistic freedom movement.

I already tell you that some Kurds vote for the AKP not because of Islam, the AKP is also secular. Some Kurds vote for them because they removed the State of emergency in north Kurdistan and talked as the first party about basic rights for Kurds. And also because of the economic aspects. If Kurds would choose their party just because of Islam, they also could vote for the SP a turkish Islamic party which is against secularism.

Why do Alevis vote for the CHP, they dont even can use the word Kurd and why do 99% of the Yezidis dont call themseves Kurds in Armenia? Why do they have Arab clothes in south Kurdistan (in this case because of Alevism and Yezidism). These are facts. So dont say that I make propaganda. You make propaganda against 90% of the Kurds.

[unitedkurdistan]

"Yes we need a united nationalistic freedom movement but how can we gain that when so many religous kurds in bakur gives their votes and support to AKP instead of BDP which supports a united nationalistic freedom movement.

I already tell you that some Kurds vote for the AKP not because of Islam, the AKP is also secular. Some Kurds vote for them because they removed the State of emergency in north Kurdistan and talked as the first party about basic rights for Kurds. And also because of the economic aspects. If Kurds would choose their party just because of Islam, they also could vote for the SP a turkish Islamic party which is against secularism.

Why do Alevis vote for the CHP, they dont even can use the word Kurd and why do 99% of the Yezidis dont call themseves Kurds in Armenia? Why do they have Arab clothes in south Kurdistan (in this case because of Alevism and Yezidism). These are facts. So dont say that I make propaganda. You make propaganda against 90% of the Kurds.

Man, I have already answered everything about AKP and the facts are that AKP is pro islamic, wasn't it you who said that they banned headscarfes in school when it was actually the opposite. AKP are strong supporters of Islam and to attract muslim kurds they talked about some more basic rights for the kurds. Does SP do this? NO. I am not going to bring up everything I said that supports my statment, go back and read about it.
Man what you fail to understand is that small minoritites are always the eassiest ones to manipulate. Now, in what way CHP have been able to manipulate them I don't know but I belive it also has to do with being alevi at first place. Let me guess your gonna start talking about them aswell? I thought you wanted to stop talking and now you bring up another kurdish minority which HAS NOTHING to do what we talked about at the first place. Do ezedis or alevis possess any power, having the number etc to change our cause? NO.
What are you going to say about these kurds worshipping Khamenei?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAO1fAKE0w&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Are you going to say the exact same propaganda BS you said about the AKP? If you understod persian then you would hear how kurds talks about shia-sunni muslim brotherhod, we are all muslims etc.
Now if you do then you're no different from all the pasdars I talked to a couple years ago in Iran military forum.
I am against them and not ezedis or alevis because they are NOT vital for our nationalistic cause since they are so few.

[unitedkurdistan]

So just because some people don't wear kurdish clothes and arabic they are jashes? Many of them do wear kurdish clothes
Why do you keep making BS propaganda towards ezedis, you do realize that you defend a religion before your own people.
Can you please show us some proof before you accuse our ezedi brothers for refuse calling themselves kurds when the vast majority of them actually do, well all the ezedis i've met have. If ezedis refuse to see themselves as kurds then can you please tell me why they all speak kurdish? THeir radio, tv, newspaper is all in kurdish. They have ties with their kurdish brother in Kurdistan.

[Anthea]

@ unitedkurdistan

When did Turkey's state of emergency and marshal law in NK end ? ? ?

I thought it ended partly because of the PEACE TRAIN, with all its MPs and international media, not being allowed into NK

[Cewlik]

in what way CHP have been able to manipulate them I don't know but I belive it also has to do with being alevi at first place.

Could be.

What are you going to say about these kurds worshipping Khamenei?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcAO1fAKE0w&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

I already tell you that it has nothink to do with islam, it is because of occupation, power etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7SPzBPSDPQ&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJngsTmq_WA&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Now imagine, they talk about islamic, jewish and Christian brotherhood.

So just because some people don't wear kurdish clothes and arabic

do you realize that you defend a religion before your own people.