Results of the war (2013)

[Cewlik]

Are you stupid or what? Its enough with your shit. We already answerd you. Turkey started this war where they broke their promises and agreements to give Kurds their right of self-determination.

Terrorist state Turkey occupied northern Cyprus and killed and displaced the greeks there to build a fake state for 200 thousand Turkish illegal settlers. Turkey supported and participated in the intervention in Kosovo to build a state for 1 million people. The same terrorist state calls Kurds terrorists who fight for the self-determination of 20 million Kurds.

The terrorist state Turkey is responsible for this war, they destroyed thousands of Kurdish viallages, displaced, tortured and killed thousands of Kurds, denied their existence, banned their culture and language, killed kudish Babys, civilians etc. and committed many massacres against Kurds. Kurds have all rights to fight for their freedom from this terrorist state Turkey.

These are all non Kurdish sources.

A Ex Turkish elite soldier said that he killed thousand Kurds including babies and that they blamed the PKK for this crimes.

http://www.keditor.org/haber_2823.html

Kurds Are Finally Heard: Turkey Burned Our Villages

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/24/world ... lages.html

Turkish torture victim speaks out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4056181.stm

Dersim Massacre, 1937-1938

http://www.asv.uni-koeln.de/uploads/med ... ssacre.pdf

Massacre at Uludere

http://www.economist.com/node/21556616

Turkey is "world's biggest prison" for journalists

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/ ... RL20121219

Turkey in breach of human rights during military operation

http://www.neurope.eu/article/turkey-br ... -operation

[Qonyeyi]

Sinan, why don't you focus on the links Cewlik are sending you? The atrocities committed by Turkey. Those links portray buy a percentage of the total genocide committed against Kurds. It still continues today by AKP.

It seems you have the need to constantly point out PKK's so called ''attacks'' ( while they are not the perpetrators of the attacks you state), while at the same time being blind to the big terrorist in this game Turkey.

Mind you, I usually never agree with Cewlik, but this time he hit the nail. It is time for Turks to turn their anger towards their own government, not against PKK. If one million ETHNIC Turks go and demonstrate in front of parliament in Ankara and demand AKP to give Kurds constitutional rights, it will happen tomorrow.

Coming on these boards where majority are Kurds and spreading ''terror propaganda'' ( psychological terror) is not going to do anything. Most of us know PKK since we were children, and we know PKK do not target civilians. So you are wasting your time if you are here to blame PKK for some imaginary ''terror attacks''... Sorry to say.

[Shirko]

So what is your solution ?

Do you wish for a kurdish uprising which will lead to a civil war and after this civil war NK will be established as a nation state?

A uprising will be costly for both sides and the final outcome is not predictable. That is only a last option. Best solution is peacefull, with out spilling any blood or wasting rescources. A logical and fair agreement leading to a new legal constitution that protects freedom to all people. Thats if you are just talking about Turkey and its official border that include parts of Kurdistan, a constitution like in Iraq, its not perfect but its working. They are all free to practice their own rights within a larger frame work, this is clearly the best solution for the ME. And blaming the PKK for all the problems is a pure lie, they would never have even existed if it wasnt for Turkish policies.

[kurdistanis1]

I have joined this forum in order to learn about general opinion towards Turks, Turkey, PKK, ongoing peace talks, etc... My intention was not to make Turkish propaganda or offend anyone in a Kurdish forum. You have your opinions, i have mine. I don't think we can agree in some past issues and i don't want to drag this,as i feel, i am not contributing anything. From now on, i will only participate in the threads which focuses on to the Future.

Thanks to the forum members whom discussed with me in a mannered way.

You're welcome on these forums as long as you don't insult us and call our fighters terrorists. I enjoy reading most of your posts, as it gives me an idea of the turkish side. You seem to be for Kurdish people getting their rights, so you're ok.

[Aslan]

random post passing alone dont mind me.... muuurp