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KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:37 am
Author: Aslan
Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) has said that the Democratic Union Party (PYD), a Syrian offshoot of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), has gone too far in committing violence against other Kurdish groups in Syria.

While the crisis between the KRG and the PYD over reports that KRG President Massoud Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) had prevented PYD leader Saleh Muslim from entering the KRG is ongoing, Safeen Dizayee, spokesperson for the KRG, said: “Unfortunately, these guys [PYD members] have gone too far.”

Touching on claims that the KRG is having problems with Kurds in Syria, Dizayee said the KRG is facing troubles with “particular” groups in Syria, referring to the PYD.

Criticizing the PYD's attitude in northern Syria, Dizayee said he hoped the PYD leadership would take into account the KRG's warnings and solve the internal disputes among Kurds in Syria. “Syrian Kurds can only get their rights through unity and solidarity,” said Dizayee, calling on the PYD to stop committing violence against other Kurdish groups in the war-torn country.

There were reports that due to the PYD's pressure on Kurds in Syria, Barzani made a move and called Muslim to northern Iraq, where Barzani delivered a strong warning. There were also claims that Barzani regards Muslim not as a Kurdish leader but a collaborator of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the regime's tool.

As Syrian Kurds have recently gained ground in the country's north as a result of fierce fighting with Nusra Front, the disputes among Kurdish groups have also emerged.

There are two Syrian Kurdish groups in Syria: the Syrian Kurdish National Council (KNC), a group that has agreed to join the main Syrian opposition, and the Syrian Kurdish Supreme Council, which refuses to join the Syrian opposition fighting to topple President Bashar al-Assad.

The KRG supports the KNC; however, the same support does not seem to be given to the Syrian Kurdish Supreme Council, which includes members of the PYD.

PYD didn't keep up with protocol rules, cooperated with Assad

Dizayee also noted that the KRG has supported all the Kurdish groups and hosted meetings bringing them together. “In order to maintain unity, we did our utmost to bring them to the table. Last year, a protocol was signed between the PYD and other Kurdish groups. Unfortunately, the PYD didn't obey this protocol. Currently, the PYD is trying to
capture the areas belonging to other Kurdish groups,” said Dizayee.

The KRG has recently released a statement saying the PYD is in close cooperation with the Syrian regime.
“The PYD is fighting for the interests of the regime and working closely with it. The PYD is not respecting the will of the Kurdish people,” said the statement.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:22 am
Author: Londoner
PYD has done very well on the battlefield. All other groups should postpone any issues they have for the time being. They should support PYD, not to aggravate it. It is wise for Kurds at this moment to exploit the position of Beshar Assad but obviously shouldn't join the opposition. Because they don't recognise the rights of Kurds and controlled by religious extremists.

One thing for sure is this: to stand against PYD with other armed groups will harm the interests of WK Kurds. I read somewhere some armed Kurd groups collaborating with extremists attacked PYD in Sery Kany after PYD liberated it. That is too bad.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:18 pm
Author: Shirko
Londoner wrote:PYD has done very well on the battlefield. All other groups should postpone any issues they have for the time being. They should support PYD, not to aggravate it. It is wise for Kurds at this moment to exploit the position of Beshar Assad but obviously shouldn't join the opposition. Because they don't recognise the rights of Kurds and controlled by religious extremists.

One thing for sure is this: to stand against PYD with other armed groups will harm the interests of WK Kurds. I read somewhere some armed Kurd groups collaborating with extremists attacked PYD in Sery Kany after PYD liberated it. That is too bad.


I agree, all groups should just pospone the issues for now for the greater cause. Anyway it is too late now to weaken PYD becaus of the YPG, because of one critical mistake they did in SK is to bring the fighters from WK to SK, they should of let them stay and instead the should of sent in specialists to train and suppply them. The sistuation woukd be different nnow, but it us too late for that.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 4:24 pm
Author: Piling
Noticeable : Kurds from Iran criticizes PYD also. That's logical : Iran is their owndictatorship. There could not be a Kurdish unit though no Kurd has the same burden and foe according to the place where he lives.

BasNews (Erbil): http://basnews.net/en/News/Details/Assa ... ition/5034

The Democratic Union Party (PYD) is taking control of Syrian Kurdistan, and is doing so through the support of President Bashar al-Assad, says Abdullah Muhtadi, secretary general of the Komala Party (Iranian Kurdish opposition party).

“Through the Syrian regime’s support, the PYD has controlled the Kurdish areas and is not allowing other Kurds to join the revolution,” Muhtadi told Kuwaiti newspaper al-Jareeda.

Since the Syrian crisis began over two years ago, the PYD has taken control of the largely Kurdish areas in northern Syria, and has not allowed other Kurdish factions to interfere. There is speculation that the PYD has an agreement with the Assad regime, which allows them to have sole control over the Kurdish regions of Syria.

Muhtadi says the PYD will not succeed in its effort to crush other Kurdish groups and control Syrian Kurdistan because the Kurdish National Council (KNC) and the majority of the Kurds insist on fighting alongside the opposition, and continue their struggle against the Assad regime.

In reference to Iran, Muhtadi said: “We are not only against Iran’s interference in the Syrian crisis, we also call on Teheran to review its relations with its Arab neighbors”. He also said that Iran’s funding of terrorist groups, like Hezbollah, must stop.

Like Russia and Hezbollah, Iran is a strong ally of the Assad regime. Because of these ties, the Syrian opposition, some Arab states and the West have accused Iran of shipping arms and personnel to Syria. Ira refutes these allegations.

Regarding Iranian internal issues, Muhtadi said that they boycotted the Iranian presidential elections on June 12th. “The elections were not fair, and the Iranian regime did not allow the oppositions to return to politics, and to run for presidential elections,” he said.

Regarding Rouhani’s presidential win, Muhtadi said that Iran’s people were voting for change, and not necessarily for Rouhani himself.

“Although it is early to judge Rouhani, we need to be careful, because he has never taken a stance against the Iranian regime,” noted Muhtadi. He also pointed out that Iran’s new leader is very close to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:44 am
Author: talsor
Despite my obvious discontent with PYD/PKK's political line I must say that they deserve our full support . We certainly have the right to question their motives and tactics , but over all I believe they are doing a great job in terms of protecting kurdish land and people .

Yes , they pissed off lots of political factions and showed little or no intention in cooperating with any kurdish groups , but that is how PKK have always been and I think what matter at this stage is the end results .
My biggest fear is Ocalan ordering PKK to withdraw from western kurdistan if Asad regime survive and this opportunity will be lost for ever . I know it makes no sense to do that , but then again when did ocalan ever made sense .

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:06 am
Author: Piling
They make a good job and are alone to do it because they did want when they prevented other W. fighters to enter in Rojava. That is their tactic : Choose us or Jihadists.

I don't think that Asad's regime will survive but at any moment Öcalan can ask to them to withdraw.

There is also the problem that is is impossible to unify territories of Rojava : they are split in 3. So soon or late they will be locked in these areas, surrendered by Turkey and by Syrians.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:09 am
Author: Anthea
Much time is spent discussing the plight of Kurds living in the Kurdish regions to the north - very little is mentioned about the plight of Kurds living in Syrian cities to the centre and south of Syria

I believe that an extremely large percentage of Kurds live and work outside their homelands to the north - how are these Kurds surviving with the obvious animosity that is being directed towards them?

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:37 pm
Author: Shirko
Anthea wrote:Much time is spent discussing the plight of Kurds living in the Kurdish regions to the north - very little is mentioned about the plight of Kurds living in Syrian cities to the centre and south of Syria

I believe that an extremely large percentage of Kurds live and work outside their homelands to the north - how are these Kurds surviving with the obvious animosity that is being directed towards them?


You are right Anthea, nobody talks about Kurds in those areas, whom number as high if not higher than the Kurds living in the Kurdish majority areas. And if there ever vomes a day when Kurdistan reacjrs the sea, it will be because of these Kurds, they ate like the edge of the sword. But as for now, lying low and they are pretty much considered as FSA supporters or just neutral. There might come a day when their neighbors turn on them and they have to be prepared. At one time, Kurds were around 30% of the Syrian population, and Syrians in general are more related to Kurds and other indigenous groups, biologically speaking.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:43 pm
Author: Aslan
So that's what you look like piling p: now I know ^.^ wonder how everyone else looks like ya p:

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:54 pm
Author: Piling
So that's what you look like piling p: now I know ^.^ wonder how everyone else looks like ya p:


What ? :-D

Much time is spent discussing the plight of Kurds living in the Kurdish regions to the north - very little is mentioned about the plight of Kurds living in Syrian cities to the centre and south of Syria


Since the beginning of the war, many have fled in Kurdish regions, where they have relatives, or they are sheltered, like in Efrîn, in state building.

What I can say about Aleppo is that Kurds had their own places, or lived in Christian areas. In Damascus, there was also a 'Kurdish district', on the top of the hills (Kurds dislike to live in flat areas…)

I don't think that they face hatred from their Arab neighbors. They feared war, starvation and recently gas attack.

Last August, when more than 65 000 Kurdes crossed the border to KRG, there were a certain number of Kurds coming from Damascus or other places in South.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:09 pm
Author: Shirko
Aslan wrote:So that's what you look like piling p: now I know ^.^ wonder how everyone else looks like ya p:


Yeah piling, nice pic :)

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:13 pm
Author: Piling
Thanks, I make great effort to appear as a serious writers :lol:

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:42 pm
Author: Shirko
Piling wrote:Thanks, I make great effort to appear as a serious writers :lol:


lol, you do not look that much like a serious writer in that pic, you look serious at all, but what do I know.

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:17 pm
Author: Anthea
Piling wrote:Thanks, I make great effort to appear as a serious writers :lol:

SORRY but I do not think that the picture is good enough for Amazon - the shadow on your chin is very bad especially if it is enlarged - I like your smile - all the men will be chasing you - I see they have already started ;)

Image

Re: KRG accuses PYD of "gone beyond limit"

PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:28 pm
Author: Piling
The shadow on my chin is good, it hides my 'silver apple' as Hafez called double-chin (it was very erotic for Persians, that was a good time) :D

Moreover I don't want to have a dull pic as many writers who think that having a gloomy face means they are clever. ;)