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'I feel like a foreigner in my own country'

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:23 pm

Segregation 'growing in Britain', Dame Louise Casey warns

Segregation and social exclusion has reached "worrying levels" and is fuelling inequality in some areas of Britain, a report has found.

Women in some communities are denied "even their basic rights as British residents", the Casey Review said.

Dame Louise Casey accused public bodies of ignoring or condoning divisive or harmful religious practices for fear of being called racist.

Communities Secretary Sajid Javid said he would study the findings "closely".

Dame Louise's review into the integration of minorities was commissioned by former prime minister David Cameron as part of the government's efforts to tackle extremism.

Among her recommendations were that immigrants could take an "integration oath" and schoolchildren be taught British values.

Her review said there was a sense that people from different backgrounds got on well together at a general level, but community cohesion "did not feel universally strong across the country".

She found "high levels of social and economic isolation in some places, and cultural and religious practices in communities that are not only holding some of our citizens back but run contrary to British values and sometimes our laws".

Her report highlighted the plight of women in some Muslim communities, who she said were less likely to speak English and more likely to be kept at home.

"Misogyny and patriarchy has to come to an end," Dame Louise said, adding that public institutions must not fear being racist or Islamophobic.

But Shaista Gohir, from the Muslim Women's Network, said the accounts in her report should not be used to suggest a national trend.

Muslim areas under the spotlight - BBC political correspondent Ross Hawkins

Afraid of being dubbed racist, afraid of losing support, afraid of challenging minority communities - that is Dame Louise Casey's view of Britain's decision-makers.

Criticising politicians and officials is the easy bit. The significance of this report is that it targets individual communities and faiths.

It contrasts with the language of people living "parallel lives"- a term used in an earlier report and designed to be neutral, placing no more blame on one community than another.

Dame Louise makes clear her outrage at what she calls "regressive practices" targeting women and girls. She accepts she is putting Muslim areas under the spotlight.

The question for Dame Louise - an official not immune to criticism herself - is how would she achieve change? What if an elected politician refused to take her oath? What if some people - of whatever community - simply prefer to live and educate their children separately?

During her research, Dame Louise spoke to women in areas of Birmingham and Manchester that she said could not leave their homes without their husband's permission.

She blamed those in authority for "ducking the issue" of women's inequality out of a wish to respect different cultures.

"If [the women] were white and living in Surrey, we would all be up in arms about it," she said.

How the UK population is changing

4.1m population increase 2001-11

50%+ of the increase is due to immigration

2.8m people in Britain are Muslim - the biggest religious group after Christians

70-85% of the populations in some wards in Blackburn, Birmingham, Burnley and Bradford are Muslim

511 schools in 43 areas take more than 50% pupils from Pakistani or Bangladeshi backgrounds

27% of births in 2014 were to mothers born outside the UK

Source: Casey Review


She said not talking about these issues would only "give ammunition to the extreme far-right and Islamic extremists", who are the people "who set out to divide us".

Immigration was another theme in the report, in which she said some towns and cities were "struggling to adjust" to an influx of foreign nationals.

On a visit to Sheffield, she said, she found some schools were coping with an increase in Eastern European children from 150 to nearly 2,500 over a five-year period.

The report also highlighted a "persistent disadvantage" facing black men in the workplace, as well as white working class children on free meals who underperformed at school.

The report made 12 recommendations, including:

A programme of projects to boost cohesion, such as local IT courses and sport activities for children

Councils should regularly collect statistics on hate crime or deficiencies in English

Government and councils should share their approaches to tackling segregation

Schools should promote British values to help build integration, tolerance and citizenship

A review of the "rights and obligations" of immigrants likely to settle in the UK

New immigrants could have to swear "an oath of integration with British values and society"

Funding for school projects that encourage children of different backgrounds to mix

On top of English language classes for adults, special classes to tackle any "cultural barriers" to a person's employment prospects

More funding for local English language classes and a review of whether courses are reaching people who need them

Councils should investigate whether their housing policies help or hinder integration

Better checks when children are removed from mainstream education

New oath for public office-holders pledging "tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs"


Communities secretary Mr Javid said Britain had "long been home to lots of different cultures and communities", but added that "all of us have to be part of one society".

While it was right to celebrate the "positive contribution" diverse groups make to British life, nobody should be excluded from it or left behind, he said.

"We need to take a serious look at the facts and must not shy away from the challenges we face.

"Dame Louise's report is a valuable contribution, and I will be studying her findings closely."

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Re: Segregation 'growing in Britain'

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Dec 05, 2016 9:39 pm

'I feel like a foreigner in my own country':
Inside the 'British GHETTOS' where 21-year-old says he barely sees a white face and Muslim taxi driver blames Eastern Europeans for 'ruining' his home

Downing Street report says British towns have changed 'out of all recognition'
Towns have become ghettoised because of a failure to handle mass immigration
Northern cities such as Sheffield and Bradford are named by Dame Louise Casey
Page Hall, Sheffield, has high population of Eastern Europeans and Romany
MailOnline spoke to residents in Page Hall and in 'Muslim areas' of Bradford
Taxi driver attacked influx of Eastern Europeans for being 'too lazy' to work


A third generation British-born Muslim blames an influx of 'lazy benefit scrounges' from Eastern Europe for ruining his once desirable inner city suburb - while a 21-year-old says he wants more 'British people' as neighbours.

Taxi driver Imran Khan, who now lives in a multi-cultural 'melting pot' in Sheffield with littered streets and complaints over noise, said: 'It's turned into ghetto land.

'There's nothing wrong with immigration as long as it's controlled. The problem is it's not.'

Father-of-one Imran, 38, said ultimately it was the fault of the Government and individual councils across the country.

Meanwhile 21-year-old Kyle Kray said: 'When I go to the gym it's full of Slovakians and Romanians and I feel isolated. They don't want to be your mate and half can't speak English.'

They spoke out as a damning Downing Street report revealed that towns have changed 'out of all recognition' and sunk into ghettos because of a failure by governments to handle mass immigration.

Imran was born and raised in Page Hall on the outskirts of Sheffield. Today more than 6,000 people of Roma or Eastern European descent live largely in his South Yorkshire council ward.

He told MailOnline: 'My granddad and dad both worked in the steel industry for many years and contributed to society. There's an influx of Eastern Europeans, mainly Slovakians, and they are here to claim benefits. They're too lazy to work.

'Come here and contribute but don't be a burden!

'I've worked hard all my life and resent spongers coming over here and doing nothing. I was in the steel industry with my brother but was made redundant 10 years ago and became a cabbie. Does it pay to work or pay to sit at home?'

Ironically many of Imran's clients are the immigrants.

Imran, whose namesake is the cricket legend, said his neighbourhood was now divided into ghettos. He said: 'It's a real melting pot. We've got lots of Asians and Eastern Europeans and a few white British.

'We all stick to our own groups and faiths and rarely interact which is a shame. Living in a community shouldn't be like that.

'The Slovaks and Romas cause conflict because of the different cultures.'

Imran, who works for City Taxis, said the neighbourhood was awash with littered streets and house prices have tumbled. He said: 'You put your clothes out to dry and they'll get pinched, you ask people to turn the music down but they don't give a damn.

'Immigration affects everyone. People want to move away but I'm staying put. It's my home.'

British Kyle is one of the few white faces in Page Hall and told MailOnline: 'I feel like a foreigner in my own country.'

The security guard said: 'The place has been invaded by immigrants but the only advantage is it's cheap rent. My parents live in a nice neighbourhood in the city and don't like me living here.'

Morrisons security guard Kyle pays just £250 a month for rent and bills in a house he shares with a Latvian and two half Jamaicans.

'It's so cheap, that's the only reason I'm here,' he admitted, adding: 'Without sounding racist I'd like to have a few more fellow Brits as my neighbours.

'The only shop I use locally is Tesco Express as most of the others sell Asian and Eastern European food. It's a sad sign of the times.'

Kyle said the area was riddled with crime and rubbish.

Cigarette packets, drink cans, waste paper, food remnants and even old shoes are strewn across the main road, side streets and pavements.

The council rarely cleans up satisfactorily and pupils from the local secondary school are sometimes seen out in force picking up litter.

Pakistani hair salon boss Muhammad Qasim said the area was divided into ghettos with Asians and Eastern Europeans 'living together but apart in the same community.'

Single Muhammad, 27, said: 'My customers are mainly Asians. We live our life here bonding together and have very little to do with the others. That's the way it is.'

Immigration advisor Suhail Ahmed believes the problem with ghettos has eased over the past six months because of the Government's clampdown on housing benefits.

Suhail, who has an office in the heart of Sheffield's Page Hall, said: 'We have so many different nationalities here and it causes a divide. But the ghetto situation is getting a bit better and there's not as many people hanging around because of stricter requirements for benefits.'

His booming Immigration Services business mainly helps Middle East, Asian and African clients as 'the Eastern Europeans have a right to be here.'

Suhail said many residents only spoke their own language and were 'quite restricted' being part of the wider community but didn't cause any trouble.'

He told how huge queues outside a nearby cash machine snaked the street in benefits pay day. Then the local William Hill bookies - one of the few true Brit brands in the neighbourhood - would be swamped with punters.

Nestled around his office are a huge array of shops, predominantly Asian, Kurdish and Polish food stores, halal butchers and barbers.

One Asian store is now cashing in by stocking half its shelves with Eastern European groceries. But none of the migrants appear to be shop keepers or even work in them.

Slovakian teenager David Ziga moved to the area eight years ago 'to get a better life.' He works as a factory food packer and hits back at critics who say his countryfolk are scroungers. He said: 'I work hard and so do others. I love it here and prefer my time chilling out.'

MailOnline struggled to find any Eastern European mothers who could either speak English or who were willing to talk to us.

One young mother with a push chair simply shook her head and waved her finger when we approached her for an interview.

At the Pakistani Advice Centre in Page Hall Road the manager said: 'We're here to help everyone and get people out of poverty and onto benefits. '

It's a multi racial and cultural community and we cater for white British, Roma, Yemeni, Pakistani people and Eastern Europeans.'

The female manager, who refused to give her name, admitted: 'It has been an extremely challenging time for us with multiple and complex needs.

'The language barrier, not having access to services and limited education are the main problems. 'It has taken us and the City Council a huge amount of energy, time and effort to help move forward in Page Hall.'

MailOnline saw queues of Eastern Europeans seeking help at the counter with interpreters. The Centre is being urged to change its name soon 'to keep more in line with everyone and not offend anyone,' the manager said.

'SOME MUSLIMS STAY SECLUDED BECAUSE IT'S HOW THEY FEEL SAFE': STUDENT WHO MOVED TO BRADFORD FROM PAKISTAN SYMPATHISES WITH 'GHETTO' CLAIMS

A 21-year-old who was on his way to pray at his local mosque in Manningham, Bradford, said he can sympathise with those who prefer to stick to their own communities.

The young man, who wished to remain anonymous, said: 'Some Muslims think like that and they stay secluded in their area because they feel safe.

'Politicians have tried so many times to ban the hijab that a lot do feel they are scared to leave their area. It's a big commitment to wear a burka in this country.'

The sports student, who moved from Pakistan to England when he was aged seven and now lives in Manningham, Bradford, West Yorks, said: 'I went to college in Harrogate [North Yorks].

'I have a beard and I was wearing a hat because it was cold and a backpack. I had a lot of people thinking they were going to get blown up. '

They see a beard and a backpack as a sign of a terrorist because of the media.' He added: 'I don't blame non-Muslims because it's what's they learn from the media, but I do blame them for not researching it themselves.'

Karam Hussain, 19, a student from Toller, Bradford, said: 'A lot of people might think Britain is a Muslim country because they are not leaving their communities and will just stick to one area.

'People around here will stay in this area because they have everything they need in their areas.

'If they went to live in a white area then there wouldn't be shops for Asian people.'

Dad-of-four Sayed Hussain, 43, a mobile phone salesman, said: 'If I leave my community it is because I want more knowledge but there are people that don't know what is going on in the rest of the population.'

Dad-of-six Mohammed Riaz, 62, a shopkeeper also from Toller, said: 'I don't know why people would think that there was a problem with integration.

'As far as I'm concerned everything is okay in the UK.'

Father-of-four Mohammed Talib, 65, a fabric salesman, from Toller, said: 'I don't think we have any problems with integration.

'This is our country now and we have been here for a long time and we have worked hard for the UK.'

Mohammad Shabrase, a Muslim who has lived in the Manningham area of Bradford, West Yorks, all his life, and has four children, said he did not see any problems with integration but said there are some people who only experience their own community.

'I'm a Muslim born in Bradford [but] I think for people who come from abroad and settle down, they've got different views.

'They only see their area or community they settle in. They don't experience other parts of Britain, like Scotland or Wales or even London.'

Koran Khan, a 22-year-old Muslim, said: '[Muslims] probably feel intimidated. If they are in an Asian community and they go to a different community where there is a different ethnic background or relgiiion, they might feel awkward.

'For example, I'm brown skinned so if I go into an environment where it's all white or black, they'll probably just look at me differently. For example, sometimes when I sit on the bus and they just look up and down at me really differently. It makes you feel very insecure.'

Her younger brother, Junaid Khan, 20 and also a student, added: 'Being in the same community just makes you more comfortable and more confident.'

Unless you are WHITE ENGLISH and want to be in the same community as other WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE because it makes you more comfortable and more confident.'

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Re: 'I feel like a foreigner in my own country'

PostAuthor: Piling » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:49 am

When I lived in Paris, I saw the 10th arrondissement where I stayed 3 years changing as a Little India (mostly Tamouls in fact). Slowly, groceries, hair dressers, all shops had Ganesha statues :lol:

But it was nice in fact. As a travel. Indian and Sri Lanka people were ok and I never felt unsafe when I came at home late, with these dark men in the street.

And as they were Buddhist, all the shops sold alcohols, lol, not as in a Muslim places.

Now this Little India is famous for its Ganesha Parade, that all Parisians enjoyed to watch. As the New Year for Chinese people (many French also and the President of the Kurdish Institute live in the Paris Chinatown and enjoy it.

Not all 'Foreigners' places are bad. But there are internal conflicts. For example, Chinese people are harassed and robbed by African and Arab gangs.

Some migrants bring a violent or peaceful way of life. That is quite surprising concerning the Tamouls because their Tigers' guerilla are not angels.
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Re: 'I feel like a foreigner in my own country'

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:54 am

Piling wrote:When I lived in Paris, I saw the 10th arrondissement where I stayed 3 years changing as a Little India (mostly Tamouls in fact). Slowly, groceries, hair dressers, all shops had Ganesha statues :lol:

But it was nice in fact. As a travel. Indian and Sri Lanka people were ok and I never felt unsafe when I came at home late, with these dark men in the street.

And as they were Buddhist, all the shops sold alcohols, lol, not as in a Muslim places.

Now this Little India is famous for its Ganesha Parade, that all Parisians enjoyed to watch. As the New Year for Chinese people (many French also and the President of the Kurdish Institute live in the Paris Chinatown and enjoy it.

Not all 'Foreigners' places are bad. But there are internal conflicts. For example, Chinese people are harassed and robbed by African and Arab gangs.

Some migrants bring a violent or peaceful way of life. That is quite surprising concerning the Tamouls because their Tigers' guerilla are not angels.


I agree with you - Buddhist never cause trouble and I love Hindus

Hindu temples are always welcoming and they always provide free food :ymhug:

Hindus are my favorite people - followed by Buddhists

Then Chinese people BUT within their own communities they do have problems with Tongs (very violent mafia style gangs)

I have many Muslim friends who made the UK their home and are happy to be here and contribute to the British way of life

These Muslims families are actually afraid of the recent influx of radical Muslims X(

As for Africans - until recently, most of the Africans in the UK were hardworking students or corrupt but non-violet business people - only now do we have much more violence

Black street gangs are the main problem in the UK X(

Arabs are not welcome - especially Algerians who all seem corrupt and violet - I have NEVER found and honest Algerian X(
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