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Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake News

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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:05 pm

United States and the Soviet Union

THEN

The Bay of Pigs Invasion was a failed landing operation on the southwestern coast of Cuba in 1961 by Cuban exiles who opposed Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution. Covertly financed and directed by the U.S. government, the operation took place at the height of the Cold War, and its failure led to major shifts in international relations between Cuba, the United States, and the Soviet Union.

In response to the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion of 1961, Soviet First Secretary Nikita Khrushchev agreed to Cuba's request to place nuclear missiles on the island to deter a future invasion. An agreement was reached during a secret meeting between Khrushchev and Cuban Prime Minister Fidel Castro in July 1962, and construction of a number of missile launch facilities started later that summer.

The US announced it would not permit offensive weapons to be delivered to Cuba and demanded that the weapons already in Cuba be dismantled and returned to the Soviet Union.

After several days of tense negotiations, an agreement was reached between Kennedy and Khrushchev. Publicly, the Soviets would dismantle their offensive weapons in Cuba and return them to the Soviet Union, subject to United Nations verification, in exchange for a US public declaration and agreement to not invade Cuba again.

When all offensive missiles and the Ilyushin Il-28 light bombers had been withdrawn from Cuba, the blockade was formally ended on November 20, 1962. The negotiations between the United States and the Soviet Union pointed out the necessity of a quick, clear, and direct communication line between the two Superpowers. As a result, the Moscow–Washington hotline was established. A series of agreements later reduced US–Soviet tensions for several years until both parties eventually resumed expanding their nuclear arsenals.

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The US have broken the agreement not to expand closer to Russia

Unsurprisingly, Russia wants the US and NATO to stop sending weapons into the Ukraine, causing internal conflict, and remove their missiles from the vicinity

FACT

The Ukraine was part of Russia before white people invaded North America, stole the lands from the native Americans millions in a GENOCIDE that is often ignored, leaving the few remaining Native Americans the most barren areas where they live in poverty

Apart from media lies and propaganda, it would appear that the majority of the Ukrainian population have no fear of Russia invading

LOGIC

If Putin intended to invade the Ukraine he would have already done so

Why would anyone give notice that they intended to invade another country

Biden's threats to shutdown the Russian pipelines would:

Wipe BILLIONS of the Ukraine economy

Bankrupt European economies as energy prices would more than double,

    the two Russian pipelines could deliver about two-thirds of all the gas that European Union countries use annually
Not have any effect on the US economy
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Feb 19, 2022 1:10 am

Document confirms US told Russia
    NATO won’t expand
Putin was RIGHT, Stoltenberg was WRONG: NATO “brazenly deceived” Russia about expansion and a British document proves it

A newly discovered document from March 1991 shows US, UK, French, and German officials discussing a pledge made to Russia that NATO will not expand to Poland and beyond. Its publication by the German magazine Der Spiegel on Friday proves Moscow right and NATO wrong on the matter.

The minutes of a March 6, 1991 meeting in Bonn between political directors of the foreign ministries of the US, UK, France, and Germany contain multiple references to “2+4” talks on German unification in which the West made it “clear” to the Soviet Union that NATO will not expand past the eastern borders of Germany.

“We made it clear to the Soviet Union – in the 2+4 talks, as well as in other negotiations – that we do not intend to benefit from the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Eastern Europe,” the document quotes US Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada Raymond Seitz.

    “NATO should not expand to the east, either officially or unofficially,”
A British representative also mentions the existence of a “general agreement” that membership of NATO for eastern European countries is “unacceptable.”

“We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe,” said West German diplomat Juergen Hrobog. “We could not therefore offer Poland and others membership in NATO.”

The minutes later clarified he was referring to the Oder River, the boundary between East Germany and Poland. Hrobog further noted that West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl and Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher had agreed with this position as well.

The document was found in the UK National Archives by Joshua Shifrinson, a political science professor at Boston University in the US. It had been marked “Secret” but was declassified at some point.

Shifrinson tweeted on Friday he was “honored” to work with Der Spiegel on the document showing that “Western diplomats believed they had indeed made a NATO non-enlargement pledge.”

“Senior policymakers deny a non-expansion pledge was offered. This new document shows otherwise,” Shifrinson said in a follow-up tweet, noting that “beyond” the Elbe or Oder by any standard includes Eastern European countries to which NATO started expanding just eight years later.

During a major press conference in December 2021, Russian President Vladimir Putin said the West had promised the Soviet Union NATO would not expand “a single inch” to the east, but “brazenly deceived” and “cheated” Moscow to do just that.

Responding to these comments, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the alliance “has never promised not to expand.” In an interview with Der Spiegel later, Stoltenberg repeated that “there has never been such a promise, there has never been such a behind-the-scenes deal, it is simply not true.”

Lavrov labels Western ‘Russia invasion’ claims ‘propaganda, fakes and fiction’

NATO admitted Poland, Hungary, and Czechia in March 1999, just before launching an air war against Yugoslavia without the permission of the UN Security Council. This put NATO directly on the Russian border – the enclave of Kaliningrad – for the first time ever. The next round of expansion in 2004 included the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, placing NATO’s eastern frontier just 135 kilometers (84 miles) from St. Petersburg.

In a series of security proposals made public in December, Russia demanded NATO publicly renounce expansion to the former Soviet republics of Ukraine and Georgia and withdraw US forces to the 1997 boundaries of the alliance, among other things. The US and NATO have rejected this, arguing the alliance’s “open door” membership policy is a fundamental principle for them.

https://www.rt.com/news/549921-nato-exp ... -document/

Many documents relating to the agreement have also been uncovered in the US government achieves
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:03 am

Alexey Danilov, the secretary of Ukraine’s’ National Security and Defense Council, denied on Friday that Kiev was planning to attack the DPR and LPR. “There is an attempt to provoke our forces,” he claimed, adding that Ukrainian troops “can only open fire if there will be a threat to the lives of our service members.”

In a statement issued shortly after the evacuation order, Kiev’s Foreign Ministry said that “allegations that the Ukrainian authorities allegedly intend to launch an offensive in the temporarily occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts are untrue.”

On Saturday, US President Joe Biden claimed that Washington has “every indication” that Russia is “prepared to go into Ukraine, attack Ukraine.” The warning is the latest in a series of Western leaders insisting that Moscow could be on the verge of ordering a full-blown invasion of its neighbor.

    The Kremlin has consistently rejected the allegations, claiming American and British intelligence reports that it is preparing a ‘false flag’ attack as a pretext for war are “hysteria.”
Speaking on Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin again called for a diplomatic solution to the growing crisis. “All Kiev needs to do is sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of the Donbass and agree on political, military, economic, and humanitarian measures to end this conflict.

The sooner this happens, the better,” Putin said.

Any internal conflict within the Ukraine is just that - internal - and has nothing to do with either the US or the UK - neither the US or the UK has any right to give weapons to Ukraine and enlarging the civil conflict
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 20, 2022 3:08 am

Left-bank Ukraine

Part of Ukraine on the left (East) bank of the Dnieper River, comprising the modern-day oblasts of Chernihiv, Poltava and Sumy as well as the eastern parts of Kyiv and Cherkasy

The term appeared in 1663 with the election of Ivan Bryukhovetsky as the hetman of Ukraine in opposition to Pavlo Teteria. Bryukhovetsky was the first known "left-bank Ukraine" hetman over the area that was under the Russian influence.

Until the mid-17th century the area belonged to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, and since the Treaty of Pereyaslav of 1654, besides of its southern part (part of Taurida), it fell under Russian control, later reaffirmed in the Treaty of Andrusovo (1667) and the Eternal Peace Treaty (1686) between the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and Tsardom of Russia.

Under the Russian rule, the left-bank Ukraine initially enjoyed a degree of autonomy within the Tsardom (from 1721, Imperial Russia) as the Cossack Hetmanate, which was slowly withdrawn throughout the eighteenth century when the Zaporizhian Sich was destroyed.

FACTS:

Left-bank Ukraine has long retained it's Russian connection - nothing to do with either America or the UK

Ukraine is the world's third largest exporter of corn in the 2021/22 season and fourth largest exporter of wheat

According to International Grains Council data. Russia is the world's top wheat exporter

The US are threatening to cut Russian power to Europe - this will harm Europe and the UK

Even during the cold war Russia never cut off our power supply - seems as though the US want to destroy Europe

We know for a certainty that by moving US troops into Europe and involving themselves in the Ukraine, they have broken the agreement between Russia and the US which allowed for the reunification of Germany

We also know that there are several high level corruption investigations taking place in the US and Biden needs to find ways to distract the American public

Bojo the Clown - the name by which most people in England use to refer to our PM Boris Johnson - has jumped on the anti - Russian bandwagon, could this have anything to do with certain investigations taking place within the UK

The British Prime Minister, whose political survival is at stake, returned the survey questionnaire to UK police. A dozen social events are under the spotlight in the police investigation, spread over eight dates in 2020 and 2021.

The political scandal that has outraged the public and shaken the British government and especially the ruling Conservative Party. Rejecting calls to resign from the opposition and some members of his own party, Boris Johnson has been fighting for several weeks to save his job

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Should I mention all the countries the US has invaded - no that would take far too long

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I forgot to mention the Canadian PM Trudeau is also under investigation on several counts
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:42 pm

Boris Johnson refuses to answer

Boris Johnson has refused to commit to resigning if the Metropolitan Police inquiry into Downing Street parties found he broke Covid laws

The Prime Minister said he “can’t comment about a process that is underway” when asked four times about the issue during an interview with the BBC.

It comes after Mr Johnson handed in his completed legal questionnaire to police on Friday regarding claims that lockdown-breaking parties were held in Downing Street and Whitehall. The contents of his questionnaire response have not been made public.

When asked by BBC One’s Sunday Morning Programme whether he would resign if the Met found he had broken the law, Mr Johnson refused to comment.

“As soon as I have something more to say about this matter I will but I cannot give a running commentary of any kind, it wouldn’t be right to do so,” he said.

The PM added: “As soon as I have something meaningful to say about this which will be at the end of the process I will be make sure I do.

“I will have a lot more to say about this in due course.”

He dodged the question multiple times

Mr Johnson was also quizzed on the string of party allegations and when asked if he could understand many people’s doubts about his explanations of gatherings held in No 10, he responded: “There is simply not a bean I can tell you about that.”

Host Sophie Raworth accused the PM of choosing not to answer the questions, but Mr Johnson dismissed this and said: “I can’t say anymore about this until the process is over.”

    Johnson said the Government was instead focused on diplomacy with Russia to prevent Moscow launching an attack on Ukraine and on UK domestic policy.

    “In the meantime what we are focused on is trying to bring the world together in an absolutely critical moment… to make sure that we have a united Western posture,” Mr Johnson said.

    Speaking of the police investigation and criticism from his own party members, Mr Johnson said: “I am fortunate to live in a democracy. I am fortunate to be the PM of a free independent democratic country where people can take that sort of decision, and where I do face that sort of pressure, that’s a wonderful thing.”
Europe Minister James Cleverly backed the PM on Sunday and said he shouldn’t resign even if he is found to have broken Covid laws.

He told Sky News: “I don’t think what the country needs at the moment is a vacuum at the centre of Government when we are dealing with our recovery from Covid, the accumulation of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border, making sure that the the health service is able to deal with the sad, the unfortunate but nevertheless obvious, backlog that’s been created by Covid.

“That’s what the country needs. That’s what I believe the Prime Minister should be doing.”

Officers working on Operation Hillman, the official probe into the parties, are investigating 12 events allegedly attended by Government figures during lockdowns.

The Prime Minister is claimed to have attended as many as six of the events

The Met will now examine the results of the formal questionnaires which were sent to approximately 50 people.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris ... TO=newsnow

What we have is a PM struggling to stay in power by openly fueling conflict in the Ukraine

NOTE;
    Europe Minister James Cleverly backed the PM on Sunday and said he shouldn’t resign even if he is found to have broken Covid laws

    I don’t think what the country needs at the moment is a vacuum at the centre of Government when we are dealing with our recovery from Covid, the accumulation of Russian troops on the Ukrainian border
Remember that UK weapons are fueling the internal conflict

In BoJo we have a PM who would almost certainly be forced to resign, trying desperately to stir-up war in the Ukraine in order to retain his position

He is a - vile - shocking - disgusting - lying - trouble making creep, who belives that UK laws do not apply to him

The general public and most politicians, have no trust in him and want him gone
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:06 am

France in new bid to defuse crisis

France says Russian President Vladimir Putin has agreed on the need to "prioritise a diplomatic solution" to the crisis over Ukraine and secure a ceasefire in the east of the country

In a phone call with President Emmanuel Macron, Mr Putin also agreed that foreign ministers from both countries would meet "in the coming days".

Western nations believe Russia is ready to invade Ukraine, which Moscow denies.
    Meanwhile, Ukraine says talk of an imminent invasion is "inappropriate".
President Macron's call on Sunday was the latest effort to prevent military action by Russia, which has amassed tens of thousands of troops on Ukraine's borders.

Hours later, the French presidency said a second phone call between Mr Macron and Mr Putin took place, following a conversation between Mr Macron and US President Joe Biden.

Mr Macron proposed a summit between Mr Biden and Mr Putin, the statement said, and both leaders had accepted "the principle" of such a meeting, to be held on the condition that Russia does not invade Ukraine.

Details would be discussed during a meeting between US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and the Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, on Thursday.

In the first conversation with Mr Macron, Mr Putin blamed the Ukrainian military for the escalation of tensions, the Kremlin said. Ukraine has rejected this, saying Moscow is engaged in a provocation campaign aimed at creating a pretext for an intervention.

However, the French presidency said both leaders agreed to resume talks through the Normandy Format, a group created to resolve the conflict in the Donbas that includes Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany.

Mr Macron's office also said "intense work" would be carried out to enable a meeting "in the next few hours" to try to secure a ceasefire in the Donbas.

UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said Mr Putin's commitments to Mr Macron were a "welcome sign" he might still "engage in finding a diplomatic solution". But Mr Johnson called on Mr Putin to "step back from his current threats and withdraw troops from Ukraine's border".

    just to remind people that the UK is one of the countries sending weapons into the Ukraine further feuling further unrest
Earlier, Russia announced the extension of military drills in Belarus, where 30,000 Russian troops are deployed, that were due to end on Sunday. A Belarusian statement blamed the "deterioration of the situation" in eastern Ukraine as one reason for extending the exercises.

In total, the US estimates Russia has mustered up to 190,000 troops around Ukraine, including separatist forces in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

Ukraine's Defence Minister Alexei Reznikov said an attack "tomorrow or the day after tomorrow" was unlikely as no Russian "strike groups" had yet formed near the border.

    Rebels and government forces accused each other of violating a ceasefire dozens of time on Sunday, a day after two Ukrainian soldiers were killed

    Thousands of civilians, out of a population of several million, are being evacuated from the separatist territories into Russia while men of fighting age are being mobilised to fight

    The US embassy in Moscow warned Americans of potential attacks in public places in Russia, including along the border with Ukraine. A Russian foreign ministry spokesperson criticised the move
Mr Putin has been demanding assurances that NATO will not admit Ukraine, a former Soviet state with close ties to Russia, while the Western alliance denies it poses any threat to Russia.

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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:46 am

Putin recognised Eastern Ukraine

Russian President Vladimir Putin recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine as independent on Monday and ordered the Russian army to launch what Moscow called a peacekeeping operation into the area, accelerating a crisis the West fears could unleash a major war

Putin told Russia's defence ministry to deploy troops into the two regions to "keep the peace" in a decree issued shortly after announcing recognition for Russian-backed separatists there, drawing U.S. and European condemnation and vows of new sanctions.

It was not immediately clear whether the Russian military action would be regarded by the West as the start of an invasion of Ukraine that the United States and its allies have warned about for weeks since the area was already controlled by Russian-backed separatists and Moscow in practice.

There was no word on the size of the force Putin was dispatching, but the decree said Russia now had the right to build military bases in the breakaway regions and that troops' mission would be to uphold the peace.

In a lengthy televised address packed with grievances against the West, Putin, looking visibly angry, described Ukraine as an integral part of Russia's history and said eastern Ukraine was ancient Russian lands TRUE and that he was confident the Russian people would support his decision..

Russian state television showed Putin, joined by Russia-backed separatist leaders, signing a decree recognising the independence of the two Ukrainian breakaway regions -- the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic - along with agreements on cooperation and friendship.

Defying Western warnings against such a move, Putin had announced his decision in phone calls to the leaders of Germany and France earlier, both of whom voiced disappointment, the Kremlin said.

Moscow's action may well torpedo a last-minute bid for a summit with U.S. President Joe Biden to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. The rouble extended its losses as Putin spoke, at one point sliding beyond 80 per dollar.

Biden will issue an executive order soon prohibiting "new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in" the two breakaway regions, the White House said. It will "also provide authority to impose sanctions on any person determined to operate in those areas of Ukraine," White House spokesperson Jen Psaki said in a statement.

Psaki said measures being rolled out in response to Putin's decree were separate from sanctions the United States and its allies have been readying if Russia invades Ukraine.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the executive order "is designed to prevent Russia from profiting off of this blatant violation of international law."

The U.N. Security Council will meet publicly on Ukraine at 9 p.m. EST Monday (0200 GMT on Tuesday), a Russian diplomat said, following a request by the United States, the United Kingdom and France.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said European Union countries have agreed to impose a limited set of sanctions "targeting those who are responsible" for Russia's recognition of the rebel regions.

British foreign minister Liz Truss said in a Twitter post that on Tuesday the government will announce new sanctions on Russia in response to Putin's decision.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg accused Russia of continuing to fuel the conflict in eastern Ukraine and "trying to stage a pretext" for a further invasion. Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

    In his address, Putin delved into history as far back as the Ottoman empire and as recent as the tensions over NATO's eastward expansion - a major irritant for Moscow in the present crisis

    With his decision, Putin brushed off Western warnings that such a step would be illegal, kill off peace negotiations and trigger sanctions

    "I deem it necessary to make a decision that should have been made a long time ago - to immediately recognise the independence and sovereignty of the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic," Putin said

    He said earlier that "if Ukraine was to join NATO it would serve as a direct threat to the security of Russia."
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Putin has for years worked to restore Russia's influence over nations that emerged after the collapse of the Soviet Union, with Ukraine holding an important place in his ambitions.

Russia denies any plan to attack its neighbour, but it has threatened unspecified "military-technical" action unless it receives sweeping security guarantees, including a promise that Ukraine will never join NATO.

We are back to the US and NATO's broken promise not to expend towards Russian borders

But recognition of the separatist-held areas paved the way for Putin to send military forces there, arguing that he was intervening as an ally to protect the separtists against Ukrainian forces.

Putin's move will narrow the diplomatic options to avoid war, since it is an explicit rejection of a seven-year-old ceasefire mediated by France and Germany, touted as the framework for future negotiations on the wider crisis.

Separately, Moscow said Ukrainian military saboteurs had tried to enter Russian territory in armed vehicles leading to five deaths, an accusation dismissed as "fake news" by Kyiv.

Both developments fit a pattern repeatedly predicted by Western governments, who accuse Russia of preparing to fabricate a pretext to invade by blaming Kyiv for attacks and relying on pleas for help from separatist proxies.

Moscow has said repeatedly it has no such plans.

Hours earlier, French President Emmanuel Macron gave hope of a diplomatic solution, saying Putin and Biden had agreed in principle to meet.

But the Kremlin said there were no specific plans for a summit. The White House said Biden had accepted the meeting "in principle" but only "if an invasion hasn't happened".

Washington says Russia has massed a force numbering 169,000-190,000 troops in the region, including the separatists in the breakaway regions, and could invade within days.

European financial markets tumbled at the signs of increased confrontation, after having briefly edged higher on the glimmer of hope that a summit might offer a path out of Europe's biggest military crisis in decades. The price of oil - Russia's main export - rose, while Russian shares and the rouble plunged.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/ ... 022-02-21/

As I mentioned previously: It was wrong for the UK and others to supply weapons to the Ukraine further destabilizing it by adding fuel to an ongoing civil conflict that has absolutely NO connect to Biden or Boris

The situation remind me a little of Kurdistan that has been struggling for independence for a great many (100) years but is unable to break away from the clutches of Syria, Turkey, Iran and to a lessor degree Iraq. The Kurds are almost constantly under attack with other countries supplying arms to their suppressors - similar to UK supplying arms to Ukraine

Syria stole Kurdish land on the Syrian/Turkish border and installed Arab settlements (The Arab Belt) to keep the Kurds divided - more recently Turks have been attacking Kurds in Western Kurdistan and have built walls to keep Kurds divided

Kurdish separatists - Eastern Ukrainian separates

Kurds want to be free from Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran

Why is wrong with Eastern Ukrainians wishing to be free from the rest of Ukraine

In recent years many large countries have divided and become independent countries/states

Remember both Biden and Boris are having problems within their own countries due to active investigations and would benefit should attention be taken away fro them
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:00 am

Russia-Ukraine Predicament

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced recognizing the independence of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, a pair of self-proclaimed separatist republics in Eastern Ukraine. Putin has also sent “peacekeeping troops” into the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics

TRUTH:

    The UK and other countries openly admit to supplying Ukraine with weapons in order to fight against those living in Eastern Ukraine who desired independence

    Putin's decision to recognize the regions in eastern Ukraine has drawn condemnations and warnings from Western countries.

    In recent years, many countries have divided due to political allegiances or religious differences
In a speech, Putin argued that Ukraine is not a simple neighbour, it was completely founded by Lenin and has never been a genuine state. The Russian leader argued that Ukraine’s NATO membership poses a "direct threat" to Russia's security, and accused the intelligence services of western countries of assisting Ukraine in committing crimes. The Russian President also accused Ukraine of being a “puppet regime” colonized by the US.

TRUTH:

    The only reasons I can see for the US to become involved are to take the American public's attention away from the ongoing investigations, corruption charges, the removal of certain human rights and States starting to requesting their rights
Remember after pulling out of Afghanistan Biden vowed not to get involved in other countries internal conflicts and sort out the many problems on American soil

Russia's Foreign Ministry has called on other countries to “recognize” the republics in eastern Ukraine. “The recognition of the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics is the only possible and necessary decision,” the ministry said. GOOD PLAN

    "Russian troops on Ukrainian soil, not a large-scale invasion,” Josep Borrell, the European Union's High Representative for Foreign Policy, said.
The UK has announced that they would announce a series of economic sanctions that will “hit Russia very hard”.

“We will hit Russia very hard, and we will do more if it invades Ukraine,” Prime Minister Boris Johnson said.

The White House has similarly announced that they would impose new sanctions starting this Tuesday.

Germany, which has a Nord Stream 2 agreement with Russia, warned Russia not to escalate military tensions.

The United Nations’ Security Council has called for an emergency meeting over the Ukraine crisis. Many other Western countries have made similar calls. This month, Russia is holding the term presidency of the Security Council.
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Re: Ukraine: US Lies, Provocation, Broken Promises, Fake New

PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:33 am

The Partitioning of Berlin

As World War II came to an end in 1945, a pair of Allied peace conferences at Yalta and Potsdam determined the fate of Germany’s territories. They split the defeated nation into four “allied occupation zones”: The eastern part of the country went to the Soviet Union, while the western part went to the United States, Great Britain and (eventually) France.

Even though Berlin was located entirely within the Soviet part of the country (it sat about 100 miles from the border between the eastern and western occupation zones), the Yalta and Potsdam agreements split the city into similar sectors. The Soviets took the eastern half, while the other Allies took the western. This four-way occupation of Berlin began in June 1945.

The Fall of the Wall

On November 9, 1989, as the Cold War began to thaw across Eastern Europe, the spokesman for East Berlin’s Communist Party announced a change in his city’s relations with the West. Starting at midnight that day, he said, citizens of the GDR were free to cross the country’s borders. East and West Berliners flocked to the wall, drinking beer and champagne and chanting “Tor auf!” (“Open the gate!”). At midnight, they flooded through the checkpoints.

More than 2 million people from East Berlin visited West Berlin that weekend to participate in a celebration that was, one journalist wrote, “the greatest street party in the history of the world.” People used hammers and picks to knock away chunks of the wall–they became known as “mauerspechte,” or “wall woodpeckers”—while cranes and bulldozers pulled down section after section. Soon the wall was gone and Berlin was united for the first time since 1945. “Only today,” one Berliner spray-painted on a piece of the wall, “is the war really over.”

The reunification of East and West Germany was made official on October 3, 1990, almost one year after the fall of the Berlin Wall.

In June of 1987, President Ronald Reagan stopped in West Berlin on the 750th anniversary of the city and delivered one of his most famous lines when he demanded that Mikhail Gorbachev tear down the Berlin Wall. In an address to the nation following his return from that trip, President Reagan recalls standing next to the imposing structure.

West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher traveled to the U.S. to meet with President George H.W. Bush the day after the November 20, 1989, fall of the Berlin Wall. In his public remarks, Genscher pledges to encourage democratic reform.

The day after the fall of the Berlin Wall on November 20, 1989, President George H. W. Bush met with West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher to discuss plans for the reunification of Germany. As a token of his gratitude to the United States, Genscher brought President Bush a piece of the Berlin Wall. In a press conference, Bush thanks the foreign minister for the gift.

Under the agreement for the reunification of Germany, the US and others pledged not to venture any closer to Russian borders

Only those dimwitted people who believe in Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy, would believe that Russia just gave up it's part of Germany without having any form of agreement with the US and western powers
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:53 am

History will be rewritten by the US but:

Referendum in Luhansk Oblast

Voters could select yes or no in response to the question: "Do you support the declaration of state independence of the Luhansk People's Republic?

Estimates said 94–98% of those who voted did so for separation. The final results were that 96.2% voted for separation.

Donetsk People's Republic – Chairman Denis Pushilin announced immediately after the referendum passed that the Ukrainian military must leave Donetsk. "All [Ukrainian] military troops on our territory after the official announcement of referendum results will be considered illegal and declared occupiers," Pushilin said. "It is necessary [for the Donetsk People's Republic] to form state bodies and military authorities as soon as possible."

Former President Viktor Yanukovych, who claims to be President-in-exile, acknowledged that an "absolute majority" of citizens of the Donbas region participated in the referendums and appealed to the interim Ukrainian government to withdraw its "mercenaries and troops" from the southeast of the country and to stop "waging war against [its] own people!"

I ask readers to caste their minds back a few years to the Independence referendum in Kurdistan:

    NOBODY supported the Kurds
    IRAQ stated the referendum was illegal
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:11 am

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Feb 25, 2022 5:07 am

Ignore Media Misrepresentation

It is now widely acknowledged that US, NATO and certain West Powers have broken the agreement with Russia by moving troops into countries bordering it

UK as well as many other countries have openly admitted that they have been weaponizing Ukraine in order to suppress Eastern Ukraine separatists

US has openly admitted it wished to suppress Russian language and culture in Ukraine, US also has other activities in Ukraine which is not so readily acknowledged

Other countries have been doing that to Kurds for years

Putin has repeatedly requested that the US, Western countries and NATO move away from Russian borders

Begs the question

    As US and NATO have broken the agreement not to move closer to Russian borders, does that give Russia the legal Right to re-claim Eastern Germany !?!
Asked who is behind the problems in Ukraine people believe (as do I) that Putin is being push and made to appear a threat as a distraction due to the political unrest and corruption in the US which has almost lead it to civil war

Truckers in Canada were winning hearts as they stood up for human rights - the Canadians changed the law to remove yet more rights from the people, banning protests and seizing funding given to support them - but almost nobody noticed due to problems in Ukraine
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:43 pm

Very difficult to discover the truth

American politicians have been involved in money laundering within Ukraine for years

Cannot remember the exact details but some years ago Hunter Biden and others were involved in corruption the Ukrainian investigator was sacked by the Ukrainian but Daddy Biden put financial pressure on the government

There are a lot of strange things going on and a lot of corruption in Ukraine

I have 2 sources of genuine information who are unable to post online, another who openly admitted he dare not write hardly anything expecting it to be his last message

Re the online footage - some of it is absolutely fake - some is no doubt real

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:24 am

We are now all aware of the US government corruption and the charges being made against several political figures, there are several other high level investigations taking place

We are all aware that the US and Western countries broke the agreement with Russia

We are aware of the US funding Bio labs in several funding including China and possibly the Ukraine

We are aware of the New Nuremberg Trials which the US are trying to pretend do not exist

We are aware of the corruption surrounding the Biden family, especially Hunter - what is he actually doing in Ukraine ???

Truckers and others are continuing to protest at their lose of rights, the protests are spreading into other countries

We are aware that in recent months, America, Canada and the UK have removed many of our rights and our countries are becoming police states

Granted we need a quick solution:

Ukraine has to halt all hostilities and declare the Eastern States of Donetsk and Luhansk independent

The Ukraine has to expel all US, UK and Western political personnel

Ukraine has to declare itself an independent country similar to Switzerland

It is such a shame that so many people allow themselves to be swayed by corrupt politicians who are fighting to hold on to their positions of power and doing so by causing trouble in the Ukraine

The problem/civil war within the Ukraine is based solely on lies and broken agreements - none of which are Russia's fault - all of which are being made worse by international involvement in an aggressive civil war by the Ukrainian government against an area of Eastern Ukraine that has sought independence for several years - it is that simple
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Ukraine: what remains of Minsk?
By Jacques Sapir, June 7, 2015

The situation in Ukraine and in insurgent areas of the Donbass is steadily deteriorating. This is proved by the clashes of the last few days, which, though limited, have certainly been the most violent since January 2015. The “Minsk 2” agreements are in a process of dissolution, and this largely due to the Kiev government. This was predictable. We must therefore review the situation in order to attempt to understand how we got here

Ceasefire breaches

The ceasefire imposed as a result of the Minsk 2 agreement has never been fully respected. OSCE observers insist on the fact that these violations are, most often, the fault of Kiev’s forces. The bombardments have, since the end of May, become steadily heavier, provoking the insurgent “counter-offensive” on Mariinka. But, after having taken control of this little town—from where spotters were directing the Kiev forces’ artillery strikes—the insurgent forces did not press their advantage further.

President Poroshenko’s June 4 speech in Kiev before the Parliament (Rada), in which he mentioned thousands, even dozens of thousands, of Russian soldiers in the Donbass, should be taken for what it is: propaganda. [1] Kiev has blatantly wanted to play the card of a strategy of tension to try and rebuild its international support which today appears to be disintegrating. The least that can be said is that this attempt has instead rebounded on its authors.

It is not these ceasefire violations alone which indicate a possible resumption of fighting. They are significant only insofar as they are set within the context of the non-application of the Minsk 2 agreement.

Let us recall that Minsk 2 envisaged an important political component in addition to the military component (ceasefire, exchange of prisoners). This political component envisaged a de facto federalisation of Ukraine and respect for the territorial integrity of the country, by means of granting a very broad autonomy to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

From the outset, the Kiev government has demonstrated a strong reluctance to implement the political component of the agreement. But if the implementation of the political component is not carried out, the military question necessarily resurfaces. It is because we are in a political impasse that there is the risk of a generalised resumption of fighting.

The war party

Here it must be said that, on both sides, there are people pushing for this resumption of hostilities. On the side of the Kiev forces, various extreme-right, even openly fascist, groups are obviously pushing for a resumption of the fighting. Beyond the hope of winning victories on the ground, these groups have understood that they will not have any importance in Kiev’s political arena without maintaining an atmosphere of hostility and conflict.

Let the tension reduce, and these groups will be exposed for what they are: gangs of dangerous Nazi enthusiasts and nostalgists. Other forces throw fuel on the fire: these are certain oligarchs, who make up the backbone of the Kiev régime, and who seek to prosper on military aid (American in particular). They also have an interest in a resumption of fighting.

On the side of the insurgents, there are groups of people who regret that the forces of the DPR and the LPR were not able to press their advantage in September 2014. At that point, Kiev’s army was completely routed. It would have been possible to retake Mariupol, even to push towards Kherson. If the DPR and LPR forces’ offensive halted where it did, this was due to Russian intervention.

The Russian government made it clear to the insurgents that they had to stop. Here is found one of the paradoxes of the Ukrainian crisis: the countries of the European Union, and the United States, should have taken into account this attitude of Russia’s. This was not done at all, which contributed in no small part to convincing leaders in Moscow of the bad faith of their interlocutors. If relations today are truly difficult between these countries and Russia, this is equally the result of their attitude towards Russia at a time when the latter did everything to calm the military situation.

Moscow’s relations with the DPR and the LPR are complex. Those who want to ignore an autonomy of decision-making in Donetsk (more so than in Lugansk) are making a serious mistake. Naturally, the leaders of the DPR and the LPR seek to be on good terms with Moscow, but their objectives do not necessarily coincide.

Life under the status quo

Without an implementation of the political component of the Minsk agreement, life tends to organise itself around a de facto independence of the Lugansk and the Donetsk regions. And it is clear that this life is anything but easy. The total population of the areas under the control of the insurgents is approximately three million, including around one million who are refugees in Russia.

The persistence of fighting along the front line prevents for now any serious efforts at reconstruction, with the exception of the re-establishment of the railway line between Lugansk and Donetsk. One of the reasons, moreover, for the maintenance of fighting and incessant ceasefire violations by Kiev forces, is the openly avowed will of Kiev leaders to keep the population of the Donbass in major insecurity and in an atmosphere of terror.

    The Kiev government has suspended the payment of benefits and pensions, which amounts, after a certain fashion, to an acknowledgement that it no longer considers Lugansk and Donetsk as falling under its jurisdiction
Let us recall, besides, that the Russian government had always maintained benefits and pension payments to Chechnya throughout the period when Dudaev had proclaimed the so-called independence of that republic. It can be said that the Kiev leadership has not weighed all the legal implications of this action. One of the points of the Minsk 2 agreement was precisely to ensure the resumption of these payments. Needless to say, Kiev continues to oppose this.

The population is largely dependent on Russian humanitarian aid. Minimal production continues to come from the coal-mines and some factories. Until December, this output was sold to Kiev. Subsequently, after the destruction by Kiev forces of the railway line, these sales were interrupted and were replaced with sales to Russia.

Let us stress this point: it entails a progressive scarcity of the hryvnia in the Donbass and a rise of the Russian rouble. Moreover, considering the greater solidity of the rouble compared to the hryvnia, the rouble has overwhelmingly become the instrument of savings and the unit of account in the Donbass.

Now, the question of the circulating currency is eminently political. The choice for the authorities of the DPR and the LPR is therefore between three solutions: to preserve the hryvnia (and to recognise that the DPR and the LPR are autonomous republics within the framework of Ukraine), to go over to the rouble, which would take on the dimensions of an annexation by Russia, or to create their own currency, and claim their independence. This last solution is not impossible.

The Baltic states, before adopting the euro, each had their own currency. But it raises problems that are extremely difficult to resolve. In reality, surrounding the question of currency is the question of the institutional future of the Donbass. For now, the authorities in the DPR and the LPR are preserving the hryvnia. However, the scarcity of notes and the availability of roubles may well oblige them to change their opinion some months from now. It can be seen, then, what is at stake.

Will Donetsk and Lugansk have the status of autonomous republics within Ukraine, for which the Constitution must then be revised, or are we moving towards a de facto independence, which will not be recognised by the international community? For now, Russia is pushing rather towards the former solution, whereas the leaderships of the DPR and the LPR do not hide their preference for the latter.

The Western position

Faced with this situation which is deteriorating from the lack of a will to put in place a political solution, a certain evolution has been noted these past weeks in the position of the United States and of the countries of the European Union.

The United States, through the voice of its Secretary of State, John Kerry, insists henceforth on the necessity of Kiev applying the Minsk 2 agreement. [2] Very clearly, the United States does not intend to carry the burden of Ukraine, whose economy is disintegrating and which could, in the coming days or weeks, default on its debt, as the failure of negotiations with private creditors seems to indicate. [3]

Ukraine, which is experiencing runaway inflation for these last months, and whose production could fall by 10% in 2015—after a fall of 6% in 2014—is desperately in need of massive aid. Now the United States has no intention of providing it. It [the US] is turning to the European Union, but this last is itself also more than reluctant. Of course, the Secretary of State for Defense, Ash Carter, insists that new sanctions be enacted against Russia. [4] But this is more to put on the record the now recognised ineffectiveness of the previous sanctions.

The French position has begun to change over these last months. Not only does it begin to be recognised at the Quai d’Orsay that the question cannot be resolved into a confrontation between “democracy” and “dictatorship”, but a real fatigue begins to be felt, in certain declarations, in regard to the positions of the Kiev government which does nothing to apply the Minsk agreements. One begins to regret, no doubt too late, being entered into a diplomatic logic dominated by the EU institutions, which give a weight out of all proportions to the positions of the Poles and the Baltics on this topic. The European Summit of May 21-22, held in Riga, in fact sounded the death knell both of Ukrainian hopes as well as of certain firebrand countries within the EU. [5]

Germany too is beginning to shift on this question. After having adopted a hysterically anti-Russian position for months, she appears to have been wrong-footed by the United States’ change of position. She quite clearly perceives that if the latter succeed in foisting the Ukrainian burden on to the European Union, it is Germany who will have the most to lose from this logic.

It is extremely interesting to read in the results of the Riga meeting that the application of the Free Trade Agreement—or Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (DCFTA)—is henceforth subject to a trilateral agreement. Two of the parties being obvious (the EU and Ukraine), one can only think that the third party is Russia, which is to recognise the interests of the latter country in the agreement to bind Ukraine to the EU. In fact, we have returned to the situation demanded by the Russians in 2012 and 2013, but this after a year of civil war in Ukraine.

It thus seems that only Great Britain continues to support an aggressive position towards Russia, whereas in other capitals it is rather the weariness with corruption, the incompetence and the political cynicism of Kiev which dominate.

Russia in the position of arbiter

The latest events demonstrate that Russia is in reality in the position of arbiter in the case of Ukraine. The official position of the Russian government is to demand the full application of the Minsk 2 agreements. However, on the other hand, it knows that time is on its side and it could be tempted to let the situation fester.

Incapable of self-reform, prey to a dramatic economic crisis, Kiev is already plagued by increasingly serious problems. The war of oligarchs which is being conducted in the shadows clearly shows that within the governing alliance in Kiev, important divergences exist.

The nomination by President Poroshenko of the former President of Georgia, Mikheil Saakashvili—the man responsible for the 2008 war in South Ossetia, and who is wanted for abuse of power in his own country—as governor of the Odessa region demonstrates that Kiev avoids like the plague the great Ukrainian feudal lords who are prone to changing allegiance from day to day.

A recently conducted survey shows that Poroshenko’s popularity differs greatly between the West and the East of the country. The events of the past eighteen months have in no way eliminated Ukraine’s political and demographic heterogeneity.

The reality of the country, a varied and fragile nation, traversed by important conflicts, can be hidden for a time by repression and terror, as has been the case these last months. However, these practices do not resolve anything and the problems remain.

But, above all, even the Ukrainian government understands the determining economic role played by relations with Russia until 2013. Without an agreement with Russia, Ukraine cannot hope to recover and reconstruct itself. This, the Russian government also knows.

Russia thus knows she is going to win, be it with a Kiev government that becomes progressively more sensitive to her arguments, or be it through the collapse of Ukraine. She would prefer to win at the lowest cost but, be sure of it, she will not skimp on the price to pay for this victory.

Notes:

[1] On the question of Russian forces in the Donbass and the “threat” to Ukraine, please refer to the testimony of General Christophe Gomart, Director of Military Intelligence, before the Committee of National Defence and the Armed Forces, March 25, 2015, (in French).

[2] Helmer, J., 19.05.2015

[3] Karin Strohecker and Sujata Rao, “Ukraine and its creditors far from an agreement on debt”, Thomson-Reuters, June 6, 2015 (in French).

[4] http://www.challenges.fr/monde/20150606 ... raine.html (in French).

[5] See the final resolution, (link to pdf download).

Jacques Sapir dirige le groupe de recherche IRSES à la FMSH, et co-organise avec l’Institut de Prévision de l’Economie Nationale (IPEN-ASR) le séminaire Franco-Russe sur les problèmes financiers et monétaires du développement de la Russie.

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