Roj Bash Kurdistan

acoording to radio farda, the american radio in persian , bush said there is a plan to teach farsi, arabic, chinnes indian, russian to american students from kindergarden to university...

he said this is a step to be more fimmilar with ppl of middle east and cultures.
analyzers said this is bush's trick to fight with terrorsism.

I just wonder why Bush is not going to teach kurdish to american students...dont they need to be fimmilar with us ?
as fars as I know, kurdish is the 4th language of the middle east by number of the speakers.

Il wonder which "Indian" he will chose, there are more than 100 languages in India, then everybody speak english to understand each others ! (like Kurds, then...)

Piling wrote:Il wonder which "Indian" he will chose, there are more than 100 languages in India, then everybody speak english to understand each others ! (like Kurds, then...)

There is ONE main Indian - called Hindi - and it is spoken by the slight majority of Indians... But those who don't speak Hindi, speak English...

And I think this idea is ridiculus - because Farsî isn't THAT big a language...

In fact,it is not a bad idea.At least,an unexperienced try but i have no idea is it works or isn't works it is hard to make a comment about that.

I don't think there are a lot of teachers in America, who actually give Kurdish lessons. It's already hard to get one here in the Netherlands.

So, I work at a US University Middle East Center and the US government is constantly recruiting our language students to work with them. If you look at the language lists they are all languages that have high volumes of anti-American terrorist violence attributed to them...I wouldn't say that Kurdish is not a priority (it is and it isn't) but since the US government has more Kurdish allies they did not include it into their new list. However I know from working here that the government will offer huge grants to departments that can provide Kurdish language classes, the problem is that there are no qualified teachers. At the moment there are no standard Kurdish language programs in any of the US Universities, and the only communitiy based program that has not only regular classes but also accredited faculty is the Washington Kurdish Institute. It is unfortuate that there are not places to study Kurdish; there are Univerisities that have programs in France and Sweden and of course in Kurdistan, but no where else.

Same here in the Netherlands. But a professor of the Turkish culture and language studies said there might come Kurdish studies at my university later...
Hmm.. I hope it will come.

In meanwhile I am dependent on organisations.. thank god there is a good new Kurdish youth organisation here.

You are talking about teaching Kurdish language...well which one?which is really the Kurdish language? Kurmanci? sorani?
To Bush & friends in Iraq ,of course Sorani would be more usefull , but more than half of Kurds speak Kurmanci (or others:Zaza,... ).
How much these dialects are different one from the other? My ex-neighbours,some Kurmanci,some Sorani,said they didn't understand each others.

UE_kurdophile wrote:You are talking about teaching Kurdish language...well which one?which is really the Kurdish language? Kurmanci? sorani?
To Bush & friends in Iraq ,of course Sorani would be more usefull , but more than half of Kurds speak Kurmanci (or others:Zaza,... ).
How much these dialects are different one from the other? My ex-neighbours,some Kurmanci,some Sorani,said they didn't understand each others.

You are right. We are great need of a standardized Kurdish language, which all can learn to speak and understand. However, due to the lack of sovereignty and formal Kurdish institutions in our homeland (up until the establishment of those under the KRG within Southern Kurdistan), Kurds have been unable to carry out such an important task.

I hope this standardization is a task that the KRG is seriously considering.

UE_kurdophile wrote:You are talking about teaching Kurdish language...well which one?which is really the Kurdish language? Kurmanci? sorani?
To Bush & friends in Iraq ,of course Sorani would be more usefull , but more than half of Kurds speak Kurmanci (or others:Zaza,... ).
How much these dialects are different one from the other? My ex-neighbours,some Kurmanci,some Sorani,said they didn't understand each others.

Kurdish is like Scandinavian languages: Norwegian, Swedish and Danish... They all understand eachother when they write. And they all understand eachother when they are about 18-20 years old - because by that time they have gone to school for so long that they have encountered examples of the others style of speech enough times to comprehend their way of speaking. They have slightly different vocabularies.

But they have no trouble communicating when they have done 13 years of school...

If we had that in Kurdistan - in all four parts, there would be no problem - one speaking Soranî and one Kurmancî and one Zazakî and another Goranî... Education is the key to most of the worlds problems...

Or you can say Kurdish is a LITTLE bit like Spanish and Italian... You understand eachother at a certain age when you have had a long education - 10-15 years... By that time you have turned 18-24... So you speak/understand Spanish and Italian...

I know most Spanish and Italians understand eachother to a great degree... And most Italians/Spanish/French speak more than their own mother-tounge - but also Spanish, Italian, French, Portugeese etc... They are all Latin languages...

You are right Dîrî. Latin languages are close each other. If you are French you can understand Italian and Spanish text, and by hearing them speaking (but Italian ppl speak so quiiickly...). And if you have learned Latin language at school it is easier to catch the root of each language !

In the same way, when you know Kurdish, Persian is simple... Unfortunately, full of Arab words So if you know Arab and Kurdish I suppose that persian is very very simple to understand.

[ (but Italian ppl speak so quiiickly...).
What?everybody says that, it is not true Ok,ok, I admit it,maybe.
Yes,Italian and Spanish are closed, French a bit less , if we want we can understand each others.

I said IF WE WANT...I too often get the impression many Kurds don't want to understand each others at all: a man (PKK )told me: -Nothern Iraq? No no,it is not Kurdistan,it is just Iraq,they sre not really Kurds"(What??????)

On the other hand I was told so many times(by Southern Kurds) Northern Kurds are just donkeys (!)and so on...But these same people always repeat they WANT an indipendent Kurdistan.

And my question is : - Do they know what they want? Are they really proud to be Kurds if they love insulting other kurds? aren't they confused? Is it feasible a "half -Kurdistan"?Or do they want a "Ocalanistan" or "Barzanistan",a "Talabanistan" or something else???- I should probably talk with them you think,not with you ,all quite open-minded,but it is not that easy as they don't listen,don't accpet discussions (and some don't speak enough my language...as we speak too quicly ). Help me please to understand.

a man (PKK )told me: -Nothern Iraq? No no,it is not Kurdistan,it is just Iraq,they sre not really Kurds"(What??????)

Because PKK are assholes, working for Turkey.

Concerning the inter-Kurdish bashing it is a general sport in Middle East, not only among Kurds. People of Alep say bad things of Hama or Damascus, Kurmancî are donkeys for Silêmanî, Silêmanî are snob for Hewlêrî, In Turkey Laz are donkeys for other Turks... All these jokes are not important.

Barzanistan/Talabanistan/Öcalanistan is sadly more real. Lacking of a state, Kurds have had only political party as frame for daily life. If a Kurdish state emerge in Southern Kurdistan, slowly it changes. Ppl are more critics toward KDP/PUK also, after 15 years of quite independance, for a real civiliian society is raising. In Northern Kurdistan, they are only hostages between 2 violences and oppression : TURKEY/PKK.

And concenring the speed speeches, I have to tell that Parisians are like that. They eat all their words.

piling you can sit down on you comfort pc when pkk are fighting for kurds. pkk is one of the main thing that has made nort kurdistan not to be cleaned out by turkish goverment. respecful women and men are fighting for kurd cause in the mountains against the barbarian turkish army. an army member of NATO that even cant win over victorius kurds.

how do you think, does kurdish rights come down from space.... you have to figth for it like PKK,PDK,PUK did. now s-kurdistan has established a controlled kurdish area and made irakies to drop their eyes.

please dont let the world brainwash you with accusation pkk being terrrirst. its just one of main goals of turkey to erase kurd from map.

please just imagine who the olds and childrens are treated in west,east,north kurdistan by theeses enemies. there houndreds of exMPLES.