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English butchers go through years of training - the average Halal butcher does not

English butchers are trained to look not only at providing a fairly stress-free end to an animals life - but they are also trained to notice illness or problems that any of the animals might possibly be suffering from - Halal butchers are not

In England Muslims are allowed to ask for Halal meat - non Muslims are unable to do so because it is almost impossible to guarantee all supplies are non-Halal

I do NOT want Halal meat

I have only ever once come across a properly trained Halal butcher - he spent years training as a normal butcher then went on to become a Halal butcher - it is through him that I learnt how badly trained most Halal butchers in England are

Then there is the stunning versus non stunning argument at the route of the problem

If one deems it necessary to slaughter an innocent lambs (something that appals me) then they deserve to die in a stress-free manner not slowly and painfully as their life-blood runs out

Try executing someone slowly in the same manner as Halal meat is slaughtered and there would be worldwide outrage - and rightly so

SHOCKING AND DISGUSTING



The person who is doing the slaughtering should be hung up the same way

Indeed, all the way to feed and kill animals is wrong – halal or not. I think of industrial poultry, turkeys, how beefs are killed alive, etc.

That is not better. Best to buy meat in a farm.

Piling wrote:Indeed, all the way to feed and kill animals is wrong – halal or not. I think of industrial poultry, turkeys, how beefs are killed alive, etc.

That is not better. Best to buy meat in a farm.

I once lived on a farm and I know how intelligent animals are - they deserve respect - I never eat meat - poultry and fish but never red meat

England is a country of animal lovers and if the English realised how badly the animals are treated when slaughtered for Halal purposes - Halal slaughter would be banned in England

It is really distressing but what can we do? Life is a food processing system, the stronger consumes the weaker. Not only animals even plants have feelings of pain. But it is survival, you can not do anything about it.

Another issue is that if we stop to eat meal, many animal species would disappear. If not for a steak or milk, who would keep a cow in a garden ? or a pig ?

The thing happened to many labor horses or donkey species, when tractor was invented, they just vanished from the country.

Londoner wrote:It is really distressing but what can we do? Life is a food processing system, the stronger consumes the weaker. Not only animals even plants have feelings of pain. But it is survival, you can not do anything about it.

a) lambs are not very large - sheer logic tells us that if we allow sheep to grow they provide wool and could be slaughtered later in life to provide mutton (delicious when cooked slowly I am told) - a fully grown sheep feeds a lot more people than a lamb does

b) halal butchers waste a great deal of the animal - a properly trained English butcher uses the entire animal - feeding a great many more people - if an animals life is destroyed in order to provide food then surely that life should be taken in such a way as to provide as much food for as many people as possible

c) halal butchers are turning up at slaughter houses demanding to be allowed to slaughter some animals themselves - and screaming racism if the owners try to refuse

d) the English way of slaughtering animals is to stun them first - this way they are unconscious when destroyed and totally oblivious to what is taking place - and they are then quickly and humanly destroyed

e) the halal way of slaughtering is to cut the throat of a totally conscious animal and leave it to die slowly and painfully - surrounded by other suffering animals - this is WRONG

PS:

I have a great many Hindu friends and LOVE their food

Piling wrote:Another issue is that if we stop to eat meal, many animal species would disappear. If not for a steak or milk, who would keep a cow in a garden ? or a pig ?

The thing happened to many labor horses or donkey species, when tractor was invented, they just vanished from the country.

I agree that modern technology and equipment has done away with the need for some farm animals - it does not mean that they do not exist there are just fewer of them

Most people will continue to eat animals - but there is no reason at all why those animals cannot be cared for properly while they are living - and despatched humanly when the time comes - and their carcasses be used to feed the largest possible number of people

We as humans destroy animal species on a daily bases - we as humans are destroying everything on this planet - we as humans are destroying the very air that we breath - we as humans are now destroying this very planet we live on



Personally - I think we should stop breeding like rats - and stop destroying everyone and everything on this planet

d) the English way of slaughtering animals is to stun them first - this way they are unconscious when destroyed and totally oblivious to what is taking place - and they are then quickly and humanly destroyed

e) the halal way of slaughtering is to cut the throat of a totally conscious animal and leave it to die slowly and painfully - surrounded by other suffering animals - this is WRONG

That's the question of Kasher and Halal and in general the way that a hygienic rule becomes at the end a religious absurdity.

All this came from Ancient Testament and 2 laws :

1. which forbids to eat an animal that you found dead.
2. which forbids to eat the blood of an animal.

The 2nd was an irrational taboo, the 1st a sanitary rule when no one could guess the cause of the death and a protection against plagues.

But now it became an obligation to bleed a sheep alive, while it would be possible, I suppose, to stun them at first and then make them bleeding. But religion is sticking to the form of laws and forgot their real aim.

In Germany, some Länder started to ask to slaughter houses for Jews and Muslims to stun beats before killing them but of course it had no success : God is supposed to NEVER change His mind

Now concerning slaughter houses in general, animals are supposed to NOT suffer but most of the time it is wrong : they are badly convoyed, they are afraid, they smell blood and hear other beats crying, and often slaughter houses do not care of rules and kill them when they are still alive.

And of course, before that, the condition of their breeding and feeding is a shame. There was a good book about that : "Eating animals' by Jonathan Safran Foer.

I am not a veggie. I am for a more expensive meal from animals which were bred and killed in the best way. I always buy 'biological' eggs and meals. We do not need to eat meal every days.

And concerning poor people, States have to give them free food instead of money so they won't waste it buying the last TV or Iphone…

I have a great many Hindu friends and LOVE their food

The last Lent I cooked a lot of Thai and Chinese recipes. For the Lent 2015, I will adopt Indian veggie recipes, they are great with many scents and spices.

Piling wrote:

d) the English way of slaughtering animals is to stun them first - this way they are unconscious when destroyed and totally oblivious to what is taking place - and they are then quickly and humanly destroyed

e) the halal way of slaughtering is to cut the throat of a totally conscious animal and leave it to die slowly and painfully - surrounded by other suffering animals - this is WRONG

That's the question of Kasher and Halal and in general the way that a hygienic rule becomes at the end a religious absurdity.

All this came from Ancient Testament and 2 laws :

1. which forbids to eat an animal that you found dead.

That must mean they cannot buy meat from a butcher or anyone else - they have to kill their own food

Piling wrote:2. which forbids to eat the blood of an animal.

If they cannot take blood does that mean they cannot have blood transfusions?

Piling wrote:The 2nd was an irrational taboo, the 1st a sanitary rule when no one could guess the cause of the death and a protection against plagues.

But now it became an obligation to bleed a sheep alive, while it would be possible, I suppose, to stun them at first and then make them bleeding. But religion is sticking to the form of laws and forgot their real aim.

In Germany, some Länder started to ask to slaughter houses for Jews and Muslims to stun beats before killing them but of course it had no success : God is supposed to NEVER change His mind

God did not say any such thing - when God handed down the commandments I do not remember:
"Thou shall torture animals before taking their lives"

Piling wrote:Now concerning slaughter houses in general, animals are supposed to NOT suffer but most of the time it is wrong : they are badly convoyed, they are afraid, they smell blood and hear other beats crying, and often slaughter houses do not care of rules and kill them when they are still alive.

And of course, before that, the condition of their breeding and feeding is a shame. There was a good book about that : "Eating animals' by Jonathan Safran Foer.

The rules in England are very strict - no farmer wants his animals to suffer

Piling wrote:I am not a veggie. I am for a more expensive meal from animals which were bred and killed in the best way. I always buy 'biological' eggs and meals. We do not need to eat meal every days.

I am certain that meat tastes much better if the animal has been allowed to roam around fields

Piling wrote:And concerning poor people, States have to give them free food instead of money so they won't waste it buying the last TV or Iphone…

An excellent idea

Add drinking and smoking to the list - my taxes help to pay for others less fortunate - but I do NOT see why I should have to pay for someone to get drunk

Piling wrote:I have a great many Hindu friends and LOVE their food

The last Lent I cooked a lot of Thai and Chinese recipes. For the Lent 2015, I will adopt Indian veggie recipes, they are great with many scents and spices.