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Man jailed 4 killing another man who was trying to kill him

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:33 pm
Author: Anthea
BBC News Glasgow & West Scotland

Derek Grant jailed for killing son's mugger in Greenock
(I think Derek Grant deserves a medal not imprisonment)

A man who admitted killing a knife-wielding robber who took his son's iPhone has been jailed for six years.

Derek Grant, 38, confronted Patrick Bradley after the 29-year-old had held up his son Jordan in Greenock on 30 August last year.

During the confrontation, Bradley stabbed Grant in the eye, after which Grant then fatally stabbed him.

Grant was originally charged with murder but pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of culpable homicide.

At the High Court in Livingston judge Lord Boyd noted that Bradley "was a man of violence" and had "10 convictions for assault" prior to his death.

Criminal record

He told Grant: "But you, of course you did not know that. What you did know was that earlier that night Patrick Bradley had robbed your son of his mobile phone at knifepoint.

"Had he been caught it seems likely given his record that he would have been prosecuted in this court, the High Court, and on conviction would have received a High Court sentence.

"As it happens you had the means to bring him to justice because the phone had been easily located by the Find My iPhone app."

The judge added: "All you needed to do was to phone the police and give them the information. However, you armed yourself with a knife and, along with your three sons, went looking for him."

The judge said Grant's lawyer had earlier described that decision as an error of judgement.

But he told the accused: "I can't accept that as a valid description. It's clear you were prepared to be met with violence - or at least the threat of violence - and went armed to meet it."

Lord Boyd acknowledged that Grant had lost an eye as a result of being stabbed and now had a lifelong disability, which had effectively ended his career as a delivery driver.

He described Grant's conviction as a "tragedy" for his family and told him the proud educational record of his sons was a credit to him.

The judge added: "I take into account you will have to live with the physical consequences of that event for the rest of your life and I have reduced the sentence accordingly.

Phone trace

"Nevertheless, the fact is you took the law into your own hands and went looking for a man you knew was armed with a knife armed with a weapon of your own."

A previous hearing at the High Court in Glasgow heard how Jordan Grant had been returning to his home in Greenock when he was confronted by Bradley, who had a significant record for violence.

He ordered the politics student to hand over his iPhone, which he did.

The McDonald's worker went home and told his father who used a mobile app to trace the stolen phone to a nearby location.

Grant then left his home with Jordan and his two younger sons, Lee, 17, and 16 year-old Jamie.

They spotted Bradley - who was not known to them - and Grant ordered he hand back the stolen phone.

Bradley instead lashed out at Grant and stabbed him in the eye before Grant then repeatedly struck out at him with a knife he had taken from home.

Bradley suffered a cardiac arrest and died following the incident. Grant was left blinded in one eye.

Grant's three sons also faced murder charges but their not guilty pleas were accepted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-29015072

Re: Man jailed 4 killing another man who was trying to kill

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:43 pm
Author: Londoner
He was lucky to get man-slaughter. He started it.

Re: Man jailed 4 killing another man who was trying to kill

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:48 pm
Author: Anthea
Londoner wrote:He was lucky to get man-slaughter. He started it.


Grant ordered Bradley to hand back the stolen phone.

Bradley instead lashed out at Grant and stabbed him in the eye before Grant then repeatedly struck out at him with a knife he had taken from home.

A lot of people carry knives if they are in violent neighbourhoods

The police are far too busy to even bother about trying to catch a phone thief - mobile phone thefts are the most common of all muggings

Re: Man jailed 4 killing another man who was trying to kill

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:25 am
Author: Londoner
Anthea wrote:
Londoner wrote:He was lucky to get man-slaughter. He started it.


Grant ordered Bradley to hand back the stolen phone.

Bradley instead lashed out at Grant and stabbed him in the eye before Grant then repeatedly struck out at him with a knife he had taken from home.

A lot of people carry knives if they are in violent neighbourhoods

The police are far too busy to even bother about trying to catch a phone thief - mobile phone thefts are the most common of all muggings


That was not his job, he should have reported it to the police. You can not carry knife and go out to get some thing or get it back by force. Bear in mind he repeatedly stabbed the robber to death. Whatever the circumstances were, he started it and took the law in his hand.

Re: Man jailed 4 killing another man who was trying to kill

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 8:20 am
Author: Anthea
Londoner wrote:That was not his job, he should have reported it to the police. You can not carry knife and go out to get some thing or get it back by force. Bear in mind he repeatedly stabbed the robber to death. Whatever the circumstances were, he started it and took the law in his hand.


I appreciate your point of view but I still believe that had the thief returned the phone - instead of attempting to kill the father by stabbing him in the eye/head - the father would not have stabbed the thief

I imagine the father was in considerable pain from his head wound - the urge for self-preservation kicks in - he would not stop to count the times he stabbed the theif but would only have been intent on preventing further injury to himself

Probably the area was an extremely violent one - could have even been a police no-go area - there are many estates like that in the UK

And I repeat what I wrote earlier:

The police are far too busy to even bother about trying to catch a phone thief - mobile phone thefts are the most common of all muggings


Phones are often stolen in busy shopping centres or extremely rough areas - people such as you and I may well live in areas where muggings are unheard of - but sadly such muggings are common-place in some parts of the UK

Easy clue to whether a area is safe or has a high level of crime:

If the shops all have those pull-down electric shutters on doors and windows - do not get out your smart-phones and ladies hang on to your handbags