Roj Bash Kurdistan

check this out

You forgot Armenia

I don't think this would come from American Intelligence. Because you would se Israel instead of Syria, Sunni Iraq and south of so called Kurdistan. And Nort of it would not be anything else then Turkey or we would fight for it with Israel. Because the land you want is also their promised land as well. : )

well karma is a bitch , the conquerers eventually become the conquered , history shows that time over and over again .

Oh we had our fair share of that don't you worry. : )

Nobody and I mean NOBODY can get anything else. But if you try to push us anymore we might go from operation to invasion. I mean that is I am afraid how will it end. Because people keep saying they want land.

NO LAND. NO LAND. BAD APO. : D

@ALL

Roj Bash Kurdistan is not a "Kurdish-Turkish forum" - so don't automatically assume that somebody is a Kurd or a Turk - just because they disagree with you or hold different oppinions...


This isn't a contest... How about you try to argument and substantiate your stance...

THIRD - this map can be found on google... There you can see for yourself where it came from!

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I actually can not belive after 25 years of terror and games played by others with PKK hands on us teach PKK and their supporters that maps does not drawn on tables by people. Maps drawn by people on battlegrounds. It is open to disscusion if this is right or wrong way to do it but unfortunatly this is the only way to do it.

So please even this map is remotly right (which is not by the way because America might look like Kurds, Turks or any other but they only support themselves and Israel and Google is not a source that you can depend on so it does not make something right because it is just comes from Google. I found these forum trough google but there is not still A Kurdistan on political maps.) it would not make any different as long as you make actually draw it yourself against to Turkey.

raman82 wrote:check this out

Hello Dear Raman....

Can u give me the source u took this Map??!!

Much Regards

I forgot where I got but it was from a govt site.

raman82 wrote:I forgot where I got but it was from a govt site.

you live in Tel Aviv ?

raman82 wrote:I forgot where I got but it was from a govt site.

Me too, I read an article, the subject was "Blood Borders", and this picture was linked to that article, but unfortunately I can't find it....

If u find it, please notify me.... okay...

Thanks

I do not care much about hakkari or diyarbakır but hell artvin?

If you want, You can take tunceli. Infact I insist you to take tunceli.

I think that Dersim would insist also to leave Ankara.

I am talking about tunceli not dersim. Dersim include sivas alevis to and sivas alevis are more numberous than kurdish ones and they are turkish alevis. Most probably, They will choose to live with Turks.

So no need to endanger such a beatiful event.

Infact, I think they should even built their own empire. Empire of Tunceli.

raman82 wrote:I forgot where I got but it was from a govt site.

Finally I found the real article...

Blood Borders

How a better Middle East would look
By Ralph Peters

International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference — often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

The most arbitrary and distorted borders in the world are in Africa and the Middle East. Drawn by self-interested Europeans (who have had sufficient trouble defining their own frontiers), Africa’s borders continue to provoke the deaths of millions of local inhabitants. But the unjust borders in the Middle East — to borrow from Churchill — generate more trouble than can be consumed locally.

While the Middle East has far more problems than dysfunctional borders alone — from cultural stagnation through scandalous inequality to deadly religious extremism — the greatest taboo in striving to understand the region’s comprehensive failure isn’t Islam but the awful-but-sacrosanct international boundaries worshipped by our own diplomats.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899

And if you are interested, you can take a look to this site too:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200801/goldberg-mideast