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There's a Mesopotamian-ARYAN Kurdish (Manicheanian) phrase that George Bush used that I remember the clearest. His famous words after 9 11 were: "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists".

Why should other folks make a choice and the USA can do everything? I'm telling the USA the same: either you are with Kurds, or you are with the Arabic and Turkish terrorists! Americans are at a cross point that they must choose!

No nation should transcend the international and physical laws, otherwise they will face terrible consequences.

thesunchild wrote:There's a Mesopotamian-ARYAN Kurdish (Manicheanian) phrase that George Bush used that I remember the clearest. His famous words after 9 11 were: "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists".

Why should other folks make a choice and the USA can do everything? I'm telling the USA the same: either you are with Kurds, or you are with the Arabic and Turkish terrorists! Americans are at a cross point that they must choose!
No nation should transcend the internatioal and physical laws, otherwise they will face terrible consequences.

Ok , they choose turkey over the establishment of Kurdistan and then what ? what are you going to do ? start terrorist attacks and align yourself with regimes like Iran who killed hundreds of thousand of Kurds and would have continued to do so given a chance ?

talsor wrote:

thesunchild wrote:There's a Mesopotamian-ARYAN Kurdish (Manicheanian) phrase that George Bush used that I remember the clearest. His famous words after 9 11 were: "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists".

Why should other folks make a choice and the USA can do everything? I'm telling the USA the same: either you are with Kurds, or you are with the Arabic and Turkish terrorists! Americans are at a cross point that they must choose!
No nation should transcend the internatioal and physical laws, otherwise they will face terrible consequences.

Ok , they choose turkey over the establishment of Kurdistan and then what ? what are you going to do ? start terrorist attacks and align yourself with regimes like Iran who killed hundreds of thousand of Kurds and would have continued to do so given a chance ?

Every Kurd will see the true face of the USA!

If that's the case then they should never count on us in Iraq and the Middle East in general. We will not help Israel and the USA with their war against Iran. We will lower our level of effort for unified Iraq.
Our peshmerga in Northern Kurdistan should intensify our struggle and guerrilla independent combat in Northern Kurdistan and should spread and expand their fight also to Turkey. We should retreat our politicians from Ankara and make Constantinople an unsaved haven and a war zone!

They're many things what we can do. We're Kurds!

it is simple , USA will back turkey as long as there is something called "Russia" , and they can probably even not support a kurdistan but if it is declared with conditions like it should never lay claims to turkish territories and so on it could happen , USA does not care about Iran or Syria if the kurdish areas separate but in turkey they will not let it happen , a kurdistan should make compromises like eg agreeing to an autonomous northern kurdistan until something comes forward in the future .

as to backing iran and stand against USA , sorry thats a no go zone .

talsor wrote:

thesunchild wrote:There's a Mesopotamian-ARYAN Kurdish (Manicheanian) phrase that George Bush used that I remember the clearest. His famous words after 9 11 were: "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists".

Why should other folks make a choice and the USA can do everything? I'm telling the USA the same: either you are with Kurds, or you are with the Arabic and Turkish terrorists! Americans are at a cross point that they must choose!
No nation should transcend the internatioal and physical laws, otherwise they will face terrible consequences.

Ok , they choose turkey over the establishment of Kurdistan and then what ? what are you going to do ? start terrorist attacks and align yourself with regimes like Iran who killed hundreds of thousand of Kurds and would have continued to do so given a chance ?

No HE would crawl into a corner of his room and be silent. These are the ones I love most, have no idea about politics, have never seen a war field, have never seen oppression themselves but have the biggest mouth. God I dont know who is more entertaining Kurdishsoccer or our Sunnychild.

I don't know who you're but you're a very weak person. It's worthless and disgraceful to call you a Kurd, if you're indeed a Kurd at the first place.

thesunchild wrote:If that's the case then they should never count on us in Iraq and the Middle East in general.

They never did and they never will , Do you honestly think that we are that important ? Last time I checked we requested that US to build a base in Kurdistan to counter Iranian ,turkish and arab threats and they refused .

thesunchild wrote: We will not help Israel and the USA with their war against Iran. We will lower our level of effort for unified Iraq.

We are not Helping Israel and the USA and they do not need us and without unified Iraq there will be no country , no money , no economy , no oil . Add to that a civil war and the threats from Iran and Turkey and you have a total chaos in the region which will destroy everything we have built .

thesunchild wrote:Our peshmerga in Northern Kurdistan should intensify our struggle and guerrilla independent combat in Northern Kurdistan and should spread and expand their fight also to Turkey. We should retreat our politicians from Ankara and make Constantinople an unsaved haven and a war zone!

They're many things what we can do. We're Kurds!

They did and they did and you are looking at the results .

thesunchild wrote:I don't know who you're but you're a very weak person. It's worthless and disgraceful to call you a Kurd, if you're indeed a Kurd at the first place.

Since you seem to be the only Kurd here , then perhaps you can tell us what is it that You are doing for Kurds and Kurdistan aside from your keyboard .

talsor wrote:

thesunchild wrote:We will not help Israel and the USA with their war against Iran. We will lower our level of effort for unified Iraq.

We are not Helping Israel and the USA and they do not need us and without unified Iraq there will be no country , no money , no economy , no oil . Add to that a civil war and the threats from Iran and Turkey and you have a total chaos in the region which will destroy everything we have built .

This is a very wrong mind-set. This mind-set is of a looser. True Kurds are not like that. Our ancestors were not like that. They were true winners.

This is the reason why I'm shouting like crazy here. Kurds lost their courage!

We must go for all or nothing, otherwise we will always be left with empty hands.

talsor wrote:Since you seem to be the only Kurd here , then perhaps you can tell us what is it that You are doing for Kurds and Kurdistan aside from your keyboard.

Who do you think I am? I'm not going to praise myself of what I'm doing for Kurdistan. What I'm doing is normal. It is the same question as 'tell me what you're doing for your parents'. As long God knows what I'm doing and as long as I know that I do everything what I can I'm happy!

thesunchild wrote:this is a very wrong mind-set. This mind-set is of a looser. True Kurds are not like that. Our ancestors were not like that. They were true winners.

This is the reason why I'm shouting like crazy here. Kurds lost their courage!

We must go for all or nothing, otherwise we will always be left with empty hands.

It is not a poker game my friend to go for all or nothing and even if it is , we are not holding the chips here . Our approach towards our struggle is correct and will lead to our freedom . USA and Israel might not be friends , but they are certainly not the enemies here . Their involvement in toppling Saddam worked well for us and little or no Kurdish blood was spelled in securing a de facto state in Southern Kurdistan . I believe the same will happen ( happening) in Syria and Iran (in the long run ) , Turkey however is another matter .

thesunchild wrote:Who do you think I am? I'm not going to praise myself of what I'm doing for Kurdistan. What I'm doing is normal. It is the same question as 'tell me what you're doing for your parents'. As long God knows what I'm doing and as long as I know that I do everything what I can I'm happy!

I did not mean to put you at the spot here , but I was hopping by some miracle you would know something we don't or you are doing something we are not .

Your views of Kurds and Kurdistan are too simplistic and you see things in black and white

Exactly it's not a game. But It is all about the future of our fatherland hence our and the future of our children.

Free Kurdistan without anything is much better than occupied Kurdistan with modern buildings.

thesunchild wrote:Exactly it's not a game. But It is all about the future of our fatherland hence our and the future of our children.

Free Kurdistan without anything is much better than occupied Kurdistan with modern buildings.

why do you shy out from an actual reply . When you post something then back it up or do not post it at all .

I placed on other topic ( viewtopic.php?f=22&t=8335 ) some comments that have also a lot to do with this topic and accordin' to me also unloged users should visit that topic.

To be short I wrote that Kurds must have a mind-set of land & freedom (free Kurdistan) OR death to tackle our problems!