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Re: PYD Leader Warns of War with Arab Settlers in Kurdish Ar

PostAuthor: Shirko » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:12 pm

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Anthea wrote:If my memory serves me right I believe that the main reason for Arab settlements within the Kurdish area were to form a barrier between the Kurds living in Syria and those in Turkey - also to prevent more Kurds from moving over the border from Turkey to live in Syria

The main reason many Kurds were stripped of Syrian citizenship was that they were seen as illegal immigrates - or descendants of illegal immigrates from Turkey


That was only a common sense excuse, the hidden agenda was to create a big rift between Kurds and Sunnie Arabs for their use benefit when time comes . yes, It was some thing between both sides of Kurds but didn't have any practical values. Syrian Baath, Alewites, used Arab Nationalism to disguise their real identity as a minority Alewites ruling the majority Arab Sunnies. Their elite was French-educated and predicted something to happen like now what happening in Syria. So today they are harvesting, getting Kurds support, what they planted on 1960.

Their harsh treatment against Kurds is a feud and hatred with historical roots. Kurds as Sunnies, have collaborated with Sunnie Arabs and Turks in the oppression of Shia in the region through the history. Egypt was a shia country but Sellahuddin, a Kurd, converted it to a Sunnie country by the force of sword. Hundreds of years ago, Shia scholars claiming Kurds are the descendants of ghosts. This must be because when Kurds attacking them, they didn't see them coming, they just appeared infront of them like ghosts from nowhere :)) . A Shia scholar declared a warning to the people of Baghdad from the swords of Kurds on the old day. In order to help people of Baghdad to recognise Kurds, he described Kurd IDs as wearing colourful clothes and shoes made from goats or sheep hair. When you read it, you can not control yourself to lough


Excellent info. kaka Londoner, you know more about these subjects than most people I come across. I did not not some this above, and even to this detail. It's interesting how the Shia perceived us. I would like to add a little more:

- the Alwites rise to power was only possible because they took control the Syrian Ba'ath party, that started out as a Sunni Arab nationalistic party, like the Iraqi one.

- the Aliwites ( term started by the French, not to be confused with Alavis, they historically were called Nusayris) were an obscure, poor, and rural people who inhabited some of mountains of the E Med coast. According to many outsiders, they until recents times, still maintained many paganistic beliefs and practices, that's probably why they were not accepted by the mainstream Muslim communities. One of the practices that they adopted from the Shia was Taqiya, this helped them rise to power in the Sunni majority country. Assad and the regime worked hard to modernize and transform his people to who they are today. It was said that after they built many new mosques for them, they hardly ever used them.

- regarding Shia Islam and Kurds: Saladin was responsible for the fall of the Shia Fatimid Dynasty. I have noticed a concealed hatred of Saladin by the Shia, even Shia Kurds do not respect Saladin. This is something Shia Kurds should think about and for the greater cause and unity. Muslim Kurds should stay away from institutionalized imperialist religious groups , like Persian dominated Shia, Arab Wahhabis or brotherhood, and Turkish Gulenists, who are all against Kurdish nationalism freedom.
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PostAuthor: Londoner » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:08 pm

Kak HZKurdi we must not forget the deeds of Iraqi Shia to Kurds in modern times. When Baathists came to power on 1963 Abdul-Selam Arif became Iraqi president. When Baathists attacked Kurdistan he, Abdul-Selam Arif, went to Najaf to get a fitwa against Kurds. He met the highest ranking shia scholar in Najaf and asked him for a fitwa against Kurds. Without hesitation this scholar gave a fitwa against fighting Kurds infront of Iraqi president and against his request. This scholar was the father of the sadir of today.
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Re: PYD Leader Warns of War with Arab Settlers in Kurdish Ar

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:37 am

Londoner wrote:Kak HZKurdi we must not forget the deeds of Iraqi Shia to Kurds in modern times. When Baathists came to power on 1963 Abdul-Selam Arif became Iraqi president. When Baathists attacked Kurdistan he, Abdul-Selam Arif, went to Najaf to get a fitwa against Kurds. He met the highest ranking shia scholar in Najaf and asked him for a fitwa against Kurds. Without hesitation this scholar gave a fitwa against fighting Kurds infront of Iraqi president and against his request. This scholar was the father of the sadir of today.


I did not know that, thank you. That was brave of him to do that. The Shia in Iraq did cooperated allot with Kurds during the Saddam era. Seems now that mutual interests have shifted somewhat. And it is important to keep in mind that not all Shia are totally pro Iran for, like Sadir for example acts that way. However he does seem to spend lots of time there, and at recent occasion, I remember him making some threats regarding Kirkuk.

The relationships between all the groups in region are extremely dynamic and many times unpredictable. This is what foreign media outlets do not understand, causing them to have misconceptions.
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PostAuthor: Londoner » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:29 am

HZKurdi wrote:
Londoner wrote:Kak HZKurdi we must not forget the deeds of Iraqi Shia to Kurds in modern times. When Baathists came to power on 1963 Abdul-Selam Arif became Iraqi president. When Baathists attacked Kurdistan he, Abdul-Selam Arif, went to Najaf to get a fitwa against Kurds. He met the highest ranking shia scholar in Najaf and asked him for a fitwa against Kurds. Without hesitation this scholar gave a fitwa against fighting Kurds infront of Iraqi president and against his request. This scholar was the father of the sadir of today.


I did not know that, thank you. That was brave of him to do that. The Shia in Iraq did cooperated allot with Kurds during the Saddam era. Seems now that mutual interests have shifted somewhat. And it is important to keep in mind that not all Shia are totally pro Iran for, like Sadir for example acts that way. However he does seem to spend lots of time there, and at recent occasion, I remember him making some threats regarding Kirkuk.

The relationships between all the groups in region are extremely dynamic and many times unpredictable. This is what foreign media outlets do not understand, causing them to have misconceptions.


Unfortunately Sadr doesn't follow the path of his father. His father later assassinated and become a martyr by the men of Saddam Hussein. Because of the fitwa from Najaf against fighting Kurds, Baathists were mainly sending Shia soldiers to fight in Kurdistan. It was reported once Iraqi President Abdul-Selam Arif said: 'Who cares about the war in the North. Aren't Kurds and shias killiling each other? so what is the fuss about the war in the North'.

Going back to the deeds of Iraqi Shias to Kurds, recently Kurds refused to vote for the next general election law. Some other politicians wanted to use the majority vote by excluding Kurds Kurds to pass the law. Sadrist members of Parliament refused to vote without Kurds.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:42 pm

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At least PYD is not in war with Baath if we see the picture of Basil (Late Bashar's bro) in a 'free Kurdish school'. :-D

It is also said that some Syrian Arab students begin to learn Kurdish (books come from KRG) in the aim to work in KRG. So talking about a 'war against Arabs' shows the stupidity of Muslim's statement


At the end, let's notice that PYD forbid the flag of Kurdistan in Rojava but are ok for Syrian flag…
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PostAuthor: talsor » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:29 pm

I'm surprised that people still have doubts about PKK's intentions in preserving asad's regime . The PKK that exist in Rojava today is the same one that existed in syria in the 90s which was a mere tool for the regime to pressure turkey and oppress Kurds (yes oppress kurds ). The moment the relation between turkey and syria headed in the right direction Asad regime sold PKK for pennies , but they do not seem to have learned anything .

Mark my word here . Rojave will never see the sun as long as PKK/PYD is in control and the so called autonomy they declared recently is just smoking mirrors meant to fool Kurds .
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Re: PYD Leader Warns of War with Arab Settlers in Kurdish Ar

PostAuthor: Piling » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:54 pm

This portrait of Bassel is even more shocking than if it would have been Bashar or Hafez for both was/is President of Syria. Their portraits would mean a loyalty/allegiance to Syrian government and state. But Bassel died soon and was never the president of Syria, it is only icon for Alawis and for Baathists !

I mean if a school, in Sinjar or Makhmur or Kirkuk, hang Masud or Mollah Mustafa portraits in a classroom, we could tell that they claim to be a part of KRG. But if in a school you see Idris' s portrait, it would be clearly an allegiance to KDP !

PYD will create soon a new branch of Baath, the Kurdish one 8-}
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Re: PYD Leader Warns of War with Arab Settlers in Kurdish Ar

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:10 pm

Piling wrote:Image

At least PYD is not in war with Baath if we see the picture of Basil (Late Bashar's bro) in a 'free Kurdish school'. :-D

It is also said that some Syrian Arab students begin to learn Kurdish (books come from KRG) in the aim to work in KRG. So talking about a 'war against Arabs' shows the stupidity of Muslim's statement


At the end, let's notice that PYD forbid the flag of Kurdistan in Rojava but are ok for Syrian flag…



How diver know that picture in a Kurdish class room?? PYD have their flags everywhere, they would never fibrous, lol... This is obviously the regimes propaganda. Look it this way, if you are correct, then the PYD peole and YPG commanders are the biggest liars in the world which will soon be to hard to hide and everyone will see.

And just because sine Surisn Arabs are learning Engish, doesn't mean that a Kurd/Arab can't happen. This also doesn't make sense.

Where is the proof that PYD rejected the Kurdish flag??
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Re: PYD Leader Warns of War with Arab Settlers in Kurdish Ar

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:13 pm

talsor wrote:I'm surprised that people still have doubts about PKK's intentions in preserving asad's regime . The PKK that exist in Rojava today is the same one that existed in syria in the 90s which was a mere tool for the regime to pressure turkey and oppress Kurds (yes oppress kurds ). The moment the relation between turkey and syria headed in the right direction Asad regime sold PKK for pennies , but they do not seem to have learned anything .

Mark my word here . Rojave will never see the sun as long as PKK/PYD is in control and the so called autonomy they declared recently is just smoking mirrors meant to fool Kurds .



Hope you wrong on the heval. And if true, then we can ask why Barzani surrendered it to them.
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