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Subway removes ham and bacon due to Muslim demand

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 04, 2014 9:08 pm

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Subway removes ham and bacon from nearly 200 stores and offers halal meat only after 'strong demand' from Muslims

185 branches across UK and Ireland now sell halal-only meat
Halal refers to objects or actions permissible under Islamic law
Pork is forbidden and while other meat can be eaten, it must be sourced, slaughtered and processed according to strict rules
Subway said all halal meat served in its branches has come from animals that were stunned before being slaughtered
Halal-only menu is in response to 'strong demand' from Muslim customers


Fast food giant Subway has removed ham and bacon from almost 200 outlets, and switched to halal meat alternatives in an attempt to please its Muslim customers.

It has confirmed turkey ham and turkey rashers will be used instead in 185 of its stores, where all the meat will now be prepared according to halal rules.

The chain, which has around 1,500 outlets across the UK, explained its decision by saying it had to balance animal welfare concerns with 'the views of religious communities'.

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Traditional halal slaughter sees animals have their throats slit before bleeding to death. But Subway stressed that the meat served in its sandwiches would come from animals that have been stunned first, a practice that aims to reduce any suffering.

In Arabic the word halal means 'permitted' or 'lawful' and defines anything that is allowed or lawful according to the Qur'an.

It is often used to indicate food - particularly meat - has been prepared in accordance with Muslim principles and techniques.

Muslims are forbidden from eating any non-halal food and meat from pigs and Subway said customers can identify those stores selling halal food by the special 'All meats are Halal' sign, which must be displayed in participating branches.

In the halal-only branches ham and bacon has been substituted for turkey ham and rashers.

Many animal charities condemn halal slaughter as being cruel to animals.

Traditionally in halal abattoirs the throats of the animals are cut while they are fully conscious - an act many campaigners say is inhumane and needlessly cruel.

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In non-halal abattoirs, livestock are stunned before killing to prevent any unnecessary suffering.

Some halal butchers also practise pre-stunning, though it is not permitted by some Islamic scholars.

In Britain, killing an animal without prior stunning is illegal, but the law gives special exemption to Muslim and Jewish meat producers on the grounds of religion.

There are thought to be around 12 abattoirs dedicated to unstunned slaughter in the UK, while hundreds practise stunned halal slaughter.

A Subway spokeswoman told MailOnline all halal meat served in the participating branches is from animals who were stunned prior to slaughter.

She said: 'The growing popularity of the Subway chain with the diverse multicultural population across the UK and Ireland means we have to balance the values of many religious communities with the overall aim of improving the health and welfare standards of animals.

'We put a programme into place in 2007 to ensure that the population demographic is taken into account when new store openings are considered in order that we meet consumer demand in each location.

'All our suppliers comply with EU animal welfare legislation as a minimum and we require suppliers of halal products to adopt the stunning of animals prior to their slaughter.

'All halal meats are certified by the appropriate halal authorities.

'All halal Subway stores have numerous signs stating that they serve halal food.

'These are situated on the menu panels, nutritional information and in the front window of the store.'

Animal campaigning charity PETA urged people to opt for a vegetarian diet to ensure they have the best interests of animals at heart.

A spokesman said: 'At the best of times, meat is a product of a bloody and violent industry with no respect for other living beings who value their lives in the same way that we do and experience the same pain and terror that Subways' customers would if they were killed for a sandwich.

'Most religions, including Islam, preach kindness to animals, but words are one thing and practice another.

'As the Dalai Lama said, "My religion is kindness". And a diet that expresses kindness, is open to all religions and truly respects animal rights is a vegan one.

'Subway-goers, no matter what their religion, can eat with a clear conscience by opting for the veggie patty, the veggie delight or, heaven forbid, a salad.'

Speaking about the general issue of halal slaughter, an RSPCA spokeswoman added: 'Scientific research has clearly shown that slaughter of an animal without stunning can cause unnecessary suffering, and the RSPCA is opposed to the slaughter of any animal without first making it insensible to pain and distress.

'At present, the only legal exemptions to stunning during slaughter exist for kosher and halal methods of slaughter, however, it is important to differentiate between ‘religious’ and ‘non-stun’ slaughter as around 90 per cent of all halal in the UK receives a stun before slaughter.

'Our concern has nothing to do with the expression of religious belief but with the practice of killing by throat cutting without pre-stunning.

'We believe that meat produced from animals stunned or not stunned before slaughter should be clearly labelled to allow consumer choice, and continue to press for changes in the law that would improve the welfare of all farm animals at the time of slaughter.'

HALAL DICTATES OBJECTS OR ACTIONS PERMISSIBLE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW

Halal refers to any object or action which is permissible according to Islamic law. The term covers not only food and drink but also matters of daily life.

Halal foods are those that Muslims are allowed to eat or drink under Islamic Shari'ah. The criteria dictates both food which are allowed and how the food must be prepared. The foods most commonly addressed are types of meat and animal tissue.

The most common example of non-halal, or forbidden food is pork. It is the only meat that must not be eaten by Muslims at all, due to historical, cultural and religiously perceived hygienic concerns.


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Other meats can be forbidden, depending on their source, the cause of the animal's death and how it was processed.

To be halal, the food must have come from a supplier that uses halal practises. Specifically the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must invoke the name of Allah prior to killing the animal. Commonly a person will say 'Bismillah' ('In the name of God') before repeating 'Allahu akbar' ('God is the greatest') three times.

The animal is then slaughtered with a sharp knife, by cutting the throat, windpipe and blood vessels in the neck without cutting the spinal cord. The blood must then be drained from the veins of the animal.

Traditionally and according to Islamic scholars an animal must be conscious while slaughtered.

However the majority of halal abattoirs stun the animals before killing them.

Muslims must also ensure that all foods, particularly processed foods, as well as non-food items like cosmetics and pharmaceuticals, are halal.


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Re: Subway removes ham and bacon due to Muslim demand

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 04, 2014 9:23 pm

This is still ENGLAND if people want to go into a Subway (not the sort of place I would ever eat in) and order a traditional bacon roll then they should be able to do so X(

These articles are turning the once tolerant British people into very angry racists - I am starting to get pissed off myself X(

I never eat meat - just think how angry the pork eating public are becoming :shock:

Many of my friends have kebab shops and cafes - the few Muslim shop owners I know actually employ non-Muslims to handle non-halal food stuffs including pork and bacon - they do NOT expect English people to give up eating their traditional full English breakfast that includes bacon

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Re: Subway removes ham and bacon due to Muslim demand

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun May 04, 2014 10:05 pm

Thinking:

Perhaps the non-Muslim population of England should DEMAND that all the many Pakistani restaurants provide non-halal food for their costumers :o)

In fairness all the Pakistani restaurants I know do actually serve non-halal food - some even sell sucking pig:

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This is how I like to see piglets:

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PostAuthor: talsor » Mon May 05, 2014 2:31 pm

Another dump , short sighted article .

Corporations have no religion and if islam is the way to make profit then they will all line up and convert to islam . The Muslim world is over 1.6 billion and taping into this market would prove to be very profitable for subway and do not be surprised if Burger King & McDonald's follow suit .

Islam's future dominances in Europe by mid century is a reality(Read Steyn’s Thesis) and as long as drastic changes are implemented to European laws , it will be impossible to stop the islamization of Europe . Sooner or later everything will be halal :-D and you will have to go to Americas to get some bacon .
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon May 05, 2014 2:49 pm

Sooner or later everything will be halal :-D and you will have to go to Americas to get some bacon .


Too bad, halal meal is dried and tasteless… :ymsick: :-D

But I don't believe in that so-called 'Islamization of Europe', which is a fancy of our fascist parties. France is the 1st European country to buy and eat halal… and there are 6 millions of Muslims in France, for a population of 66 millions… Not an invasion !

In a global world, I think that in 100 century, we'll be all Chinese. :-D But in 2013, there were 1.322.000.000 of Muslims ion the world for 2 milliards of Christians.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon May 05, 2014 4:18 pm

The more I see people being segregated the less I like it X(

I know that animals slaughtered to provide Halal are not treated as humanly as other animals

I do NOT think that Halal butchers should be allowed to pressurise English farmers into allowing them to slaughter English animals by screaming racism at them if they try to refuse

I do NOT think that companies such as Subway should take bacon off their menu

Muslims are not an invasion force and should have more sense than to go into a country demanding that country change to meet their needs - all that is happening is than Muslims are alienating the rest of the population

Many Muslims are now being shunned by the rest of the population - Muslim only areas are becoming common-place - the ladies seldom learn English - hatred and fear is fast building up

All the years my friends and I spent trying to encourage different ethnic groups to share their cultures and customs have all been wasted :((
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon May 05, 2014 4:25 pm

Sometimes, I wonder why Buddhists are so quiet in Europe, if we compare with Muslims, Christians, etc. Long live to the Dalai Lama ! :-D
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon May 05, 2014 4:45 pm

Piling wrote:Sometimes, I wonder why Buddhists are so quiet in Europe, if we compare with Muslims, Christians, etc. Long live to the Dalai Lama ! :-D

What do Buddhists eat?
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon May 05, 2014 6:28 pm

In general, they prohibit to kill any animal for eating it. But if someone gives you meal from an animal which was not killed in the aim to feed you, you are allowed to eat it and not offend your host. A Buddhist monk is only eating what people give to him and then can not refuse anything. It is more complicated than Christians' rules. :

Generally, then, Buddhists are vegetarian, but in Tibet it is quite impossible to be, because it is not a country where many vegetables are growing. So they eat meat. In fact Budhism is very reasonable : do as you can in a spirit of compassion.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon May 05, 2014 7:06 pm

Piling wrote:In general, they prohibit to kill any animal for eating it. But if someone gives you meal from an animal which was not killed in the aim to feed you, you are allowed to eat it and not offend your host. A Buddhist monk is only eating what people give to him and then can not refuse anything. It is more complicated than Christians' rules. :

Generally, then, Buddhists are vegetarian, but in Tibet it is quite impossible to be, because it is not a country where many vegetables are growing. So they eat meat. In fact Budhism is very reasonable : do as you can in a spirit of compassion.

A sort of "Waste not want not"

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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon May 05, 2014 7:16 pm

Pagan: Do what you want save that it hurt none


LOL, they were the champions of sacrifice ! :)) Hundreds and hundreds of slaughtering cows and cattle and chickens every months to appease gods and goddesses !
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon May 05, 2014 8:43 pm

Piling wrote:LOL, they were the champions of sacrifice ! :)) Hundreds and hundreds of slaughtering cows and cattle and chickens every months to appease gods and goddesses !

A lie put about by Christians :ymdevil:

Pagans love all living things :ymhug:

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PostAuthor: talsor » Tue May 06, 2014 4:55 am

Piling wrote:Too bad, halal meal is dried and tasteless… :ymsick: :-D


That is just a myth and they taste exactly the same . I know few of those halal meat seller actually buy the meat from whole sellers and sell it as halal :lol: . If you lable it halal , they will buy it .

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In a global world, I think that in 100 century, we'll be all Chinese. :-D But in 2013, there were 1.322.000.000 of Muslims ion the world for 2 milliards of Christians.


Chinese is fine , but what would be their religion ? and I thought Islam already surpassed christianity according to Vatican .

Vatican: Islam Surpassed christainity as World's Largest Religion
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PostAuthor: Piling » Tue May 06, 2014 5:48 am

talsor wrote:
Piling wrote:Too bad, halal meal is dried and tasteless… :ymsick: :-D


That is just a myth and they taste exactly the same . I know few of those halal meat seller actually buy the meat from whole sellers and sell it as halal :lol: . If you lable it halal , they will buy it .

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Pardon, since 1992 I could make the comparison between France and Kurdistan :-D A meal without blood lost its taste and is not so juicy as a good steak… The same for chicken, they cook it until it is dried. Or perhaps it is they cook the meal too much.

In a global world, I think that in 100 century, we'll be all Chinese. :-D But in 2013, there were 1.322.000.000 of Muslims ion the world for 2 milliards of Christians.


Chinese is fine , but what would be their religion ? and I thought Islam already surpassed christianity according to Vatican .

Vatican: Islam Surpassed christainity as World's Largest Religion
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/03/30 ... -religion/


Chinese were Confucianists, taoists, buddhists, during ages and then Mao eradicated all. So they are a potential terra of missionary for everyone, but I doubt they would adopt Islam, it is too far from their mentality. And I can't imagine Chinese cooking without pork ! It is their national food, as in Europe :lol:

Vatican is a bunch of assholes. They stated that Islam is larger than 'Roman Catholicism', and then did not include Protestants, Evangelists, Orthodox and all other Eastern Churches. In their narrow mind, only Catholics are Christians, who knows ? :-D

As if Pope would have said Islam is only sunni or only shi'a… They just don't dare to say that the largest number of conversion come from that crazy Evangelical church… 8-}

But the total amount of all Christian churches members are around 2 milliards in the world. The most remarkable change is their geographical location : Christianity is now a Southern religion and decreases in Northern countries. Here is an interesting map comparing 1910 and 2010. In French but easy to understand :

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue May 06, 2014 11:40 am

I do not believe that the number of people attending the Catholic Church regularly has actually done down in England - their services are always packed - so are their licensed bars and social clubs =))

Church of England is seen as rather boring - independent churches such as the Methodist Churches and United Reform Churches are always a hive of activity because they provide for many different needs - social clubs (non-alcoholic) - youth clubs - play groups - luncheon clubs - OAP clubs - mother and toddler groups etc etc

There are an extremely fast growing number of Evangelical and small semi-independent churches in England :ymhug:

Going back to the Church of England - that is exactly what is happening - most people are going back to the church - when they have children they want their children Christened in the Church - they want to marry in the church - they want a funeral service in the church - so the vast majority of English people are most definitely Christian to a certain extent :D
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