Turkish fury as French MPs back Armenia genocide bill

[jjmuneer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uDEJjmi1ec&feature=g-u&context=G254b14fFUAAAAAAAEAA

[thearabchildren]

This is again one of those things where I feel we let the media paint it as a bigger thing than it is. Several countries have taken steps like this regarding the Armenian Genocide. I believe the Kemalists are playing this up to fearmonger about "foreign enemies" to their own population, to keep them from discussing real, domestic issues (and to make discussing the Armenian Genocide seem like a grand "foreign conspiracy", thus making domestic discussion of it less likely). Dissent regarding the Kemalist narrative about the Armenian Genocide should come from the Turkish left, as this has always been the most effective source of pressure against the Kemalist government.

Also, I hate to see Kurds thinking about the Armenian Genocide. Because although Armenians are people and I do feel some sympathy for them while I'm in Turkey, it also makes me angry to see the difference between how Kurds and Armenians are treated by Turkish civil society. I have met many Turkish liberals who are only too happy to hug an Armenian, but who still look down their noses at the Kurds, not in defense of the government, but simply because of a feeling of superiority. Of course it was terrible to be a Christian at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but today it is easier to be an Armenian than a Kurd. You will see books on how to speak Armenian in Turkish bookstores that won't carry books on Kurdish. Even the sort of Turks who disagreed with everything he said seem to view Hrant Dink as a "good Armenian", but view his Kurdish equivalents as "traitors", etc.

Obviously I have no problem with Turks who speak out for Kurds and Armenians, but Kurds should hold off on the Armenian love until Turkish civil society gives them as much respect as Armenians get.

[talsor]

This is again one of those things where I feel we let the media paint it as a bigger thing than it is. Several countries have taken steps like this regarding the Armenian Genocide. I believe the Kemalists are playing this up to fearmonger about "foreign enemies" to their own population, to keep them from discussing real, domestic issues (and to make discussing the Armenian Genocide seem like a grand "foreign conspiracy", thus making domestic discussion of it less likely). Dissent regarding the Kemalist narrative about the Armenian Genocide should come from the Turkish left, as this has always been the most effective source of pressure against the Kemalist government.

Also, I hate to see Kurds thinking about the Armenian Genocide. Because although Armenians are people and I do feel some sympathy for them while I'm in Turkey, it also makes me angry to see the difference between how Kurds and Armenians are treated by Turkish civil society. I have met many Turkish liberals who are only too happy to hug an Armenian, but who still look down their noses at the Kurds, not in defense of the government, but simply because of a feeling of superiority. Of course it was terrible to be a Christian at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, but today it is easier to be an Armenian than a Kurd. You will see books on how to speak Armenian in Turkish bookstores that won't carry books on Kurdish. Even the sort of Turks who disagreed with everything he said seem to view Hrant Dink as a "good Armenian", but view his Kurdish equivalents as "traitors", etc.

Obviously I have no problem with Turks who speak out for Kurds and Armenians, but Kurds should hold off on the Armenian love until Turkish civil society gives them as much respect as Armenians get.

Well said heval

[thesunchild]

French MPs proved that Turks are nobody. Nobody ever is listening and will listen to them. They don't have any power or influence, not even in their own home. Turks are as weak as Albanians.

I'm waiting for the next humiliation of the Turks, hahaha.

[Azamat]

Turks are as weak as Albanians.

What's wrong with Albanians? Not all Albanians feel connected to Turks. Albanians are a proud people who do not let Islam play a role in their patriotism, despite baseless accusations as such from their enemies. Kurdish 'patriots' who have gone astray (PIK) should take an example from them.

I hope you're not wishing us Kurds to be allied with the Orthodox supremacist club(Greece - Serbia - Russia - Armenia), because the majority of these nations' nationalists are evil and will help the Armenian chauvinists in fatally backstabbing the Kurds(not all Armenians are like that!) for the sake of brotherhood and their campaign of wiping filthy Muslims from the face off the earth. In fact one member of this club, Greece, has already commenced the backstabbing by removing our leader from their embassy by force, whilst in serious danger. The result everyone knows.

[thesunchild]

Turks are as weak as Albanians.

What's wrong with Albanians? Not all Albanians feel connected to Turks. Albanians are a proud people who do not let Islam play a role in their patriotism, despite baseless accusations as such from their enemies. Kurdish 'patriots' who have gone astray (PIK) should take an example from them.

I hope you're not wishing us Kurds to be allied with the Orthodox supremacist club(Greece - Serbia - Russia - Armenia), because the majority of these nations' nationalists are evil and will help the Armenian chauvinists in fatally backstabbing the Kurds(not all Armenians are like that!) for the sake of brotherhood and their campaign of wiping filthy Muslims from the face off the earth. In fact one member of this club, Greece, has already commenced the backstabbing by removing our leader from their embassy by force, whilst in serious danger. The result everyone knows.

Albanian men are pimps and their children and women are whores. They sell their own daughters for prostitution without any hesitation. They must be the retarded / worthless nation in Europe!

What have 'Greece - Serbia - Russia - Armenia' to do with my reaction?

[Azamat]

What have 'Greece - Serbia - Russia - Armenia' to do with my reaction?

What have Albanians to do with Turks? As a reaction to you trying to get Albanians into this, I'm just trying to follow your train of thought by naming their enemies since your anti-Albanian statement obviously indicates an admiration towards the mentioned groups, and what the presence of these groups really signify for our cause.

[thesunchild]

What have 'Greece - Serbia - Russia - Armenia' to do with my reaction?

What have Albanians to do with Turks? As a reaction to you trying to get Albanians into this, I'm just trying to follow your train of thought by naming their enemies since your anti-Albanian statement obviously indicates an admiration towards the mentioned groups, and what the presence of these groups really signify for our cause.

Turks are worthless and horseshit as Albanians.

Well I like Serbians, great folks! I do admire them how they kill(ed) Turks!


But I hate Russians, Greeks and especially gypsy ass Armenians

[Azamat]

Well I like Serbians, great folks! I've admire them how they kill Turks!
But I hate Russians, Greeks and especially gypsy ass Armenians

Contradiction. Gain some basic knowledge on contemporary inter-ethnic relations.

[thesunchild]

Well I like Serbians, great folks! I've admire them how they kill Turks!
But I hate Russians, Greeks and especially gypsy ass Armenians

Contradiction. Gain some basic knowledge on contemporary inter-ethnic relations.

As far as I know Serbians done nothing bad to us! Serbians never fought against Kurds in Kurdistan!

All I know that some Kurdish Islamic extremist jihadist brainwashed Ansar al-Islam morons fought in Bosnia AGAINST the Serbs and not vice versa!

[Azamat]

As far as I know Serbians done nothing bad to us! All I know that some Kurdish Islamic extremist jihadist morons fought in Bosnia against the Serbs!

You are right, Serbians have done nothing against us and in fact many of the nations that may obstruct our cause in the future have not. It's only such a shame that they are allied with the Russian chauvinists, who are in turn allied with the Armenian chauvinists(Tashnaktsutsyun) who appropriate major parts of our homeland and look down upon us like divine gods. And any anti-Kurdish order from the center(Russia and their lap-dog Armenia, or should I invert that?) is obeyed by its satellites(Serbia). Plus, the chauvinists of these groups are living in a retarded world of religious fanaticism and believe that putting up modern Crusades is their duty. A dual motive for anti-Kurdish campaigns.

[thesunchild]

Of course are Serbs natural allies of Russians. Why? because they're both Slavic nation and they share the same (Orthodox) religion. But Russians betrayed their Slavic brethren in the Balkans so a lot Serbs hate Russia too!

Russians betrayed Milosevic they betrayed Mladic, Karadic etc..

As far as I know Kurds and Serbs must be brothers in arms!

[Azamat]

As far as I know Kurds and Serbs must be brothers in arms!

Tell that to a hardcore Serbian chauvinist and he will accuse you of religious defilement

[thesunchild]

As far as I know Kurds and Serbs must be brothers in arms!

Tell that to a hardcore Serbian chauvinist and he will accuse you of religious defilement

I know a lot Serbs who like Kurds. Of course are some Serbs on the internet angry on Kurds, because Ansar al-Islam fought against the Serbs on the side of the Turks and Arabs. WTF were they thinking????

Just place yourself in their shoes and you will understand them. I would be very angry too. What the hell were Kurds thinking when they fought against the Serbs? And for what and for whom. For dirty Mongol Turks and Arabs!


Btw, what was PKK thinking when they fought against the Jews in Lebanon and Syria? Russians used them.

Everybody is using Kurds for their own aims.

Kurds must only fight for their own interests, Kurdistan, and not for somebody else!

[Azamat]

I know a lot Serbs who like Kurds.

If you paid any attention you would have noticed that I use the word 'chauvinist' to refer to an anti-Kurdish member of a certain group. I do not generalize.

Of course are some Serbs on the net are angry on Kurds, because Ansar al-Islam fought against the Serbs on the side of the Turks and Arabs. WTF????

Just place yourself in their shoes and you will understand them. I would be very angry too. What the hell were Kurds thinking when they fought against the Serbs? Abd for what and for whom. For dirty Mongol Turks and Arabs!

That may be true, but I doubt that this is their motive for anti-Kurdism. Serbian chauvinists really couldn't care less about a band of about 30 strayed Kurds happened to fight a couple of their units, and I even doubt that they are aware of that. Instead, they are brainwashed by Orthodox supremacism and thus feel connected to Russian and Armenian chauvinists, the latter of which are a grand, lurking danger in front of our cause.