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Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: FeyliKurd » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:42 pm

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While the PKK’s European wing has responded affirmatively to the three-stage solution process proposed by PKK leader Öcalan; withdrawal, relinquishing weapons and full democracy and normalization, the terrorist (FREEDOM!) organization’s faction in Kandil has delivered the message they are still ‘deliberating’ the plan.

A delegation consisting of BDP Co-chairs Selahattin Demirtaş and Gültan Kışanak, Diyarbakır Deputy Altan Tan, Istanbul Deputy Sırrı Süreyya Önder and DTP Co-chair Ahmet Türk headed for Northern Iraq (Southern Kurdistan!) to discuss PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan's messages in recent talks as part of Turkey's ongoing peace initiative.

Arbil will be taking on an active role in the PKK's withdrawal from Turkey's borders, the first stage in the solution process. While Arbil will be collaborating closely with Turkey during the ongoing process, the Peshmerga will be assisting the PKK terrorist (FREEDOM!) organization withdraw from Turkey. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) and Regional Administration leader Massoud Barzani's Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) were influential in ensuring the committee's meetings transpired in a confidential, safe and secure venue. The PKK's leaders in Kandil, Murat Karayılan and Duran Kalkan, were also present for the talks. The delegation later returned to Arbil, where the Kurdish administration accepted a request to assist in the PKK's withdrawal from Turkish borders.

Pervin Buldan has also returned from talks in Brussels' with the organization's European wing. Zübeyir Aydar , member of the KCK Executive Council has offered backing for the ongoing peace process, while the organization's European wing also reiterated their support. The organization's connections in Europe have announced they will be responding to Öcalan's later within the next few days.

TWO DIFFERENT VOICES

While acting PKK leader Murat Karayılan has yet to make an official announcement regarding the ongoing process, Sülbüs Peri, one of the organization's female administrators made an announcement as the meeting between the BDP and PKK leaders were still ongoing, stating, "A one-sided ceasefire or withdrawal is not possible. Without ensuring some sort of security and before the other side has taken a step, this won't be possible."

PKK TO RELEASE DETAINED PUBLIC OFFICIALS IN TEN DAYS

In a press announcement from Arbil on Saturday, BDP Co-chair Gültan Kışanak announced that the public officials being held captive by the PKK could be freed within the next ten days.

This is great news! PKK and KRG relations are improving for every day! Biji Gerilla! Biji Peshmerga! :ymhug:
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:23 pm

I wonder where will go these thousands of fighters. Withdrawal from Turkish borders means they will leave Qandil ? Then, for which place ? Will they stay as military units somewhere or be totally dismantled ? (for the moment, Erdoğan refuses any amnesty).
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:33 pm

Piling wrote:I wonder where will go these thousands of fighters. Withdrawal from Turkish borders means they will leave Qandil ? Then, for which place ? Will they stay as military units somewhere or be totally dismantled ? (for the moment, Erdoğan refuses any amnesty).

Many people told me that I had made a mistake and that the PKK would NEVER leave Turkey

It would appear that I was right and the PKK are surrendering :shock:

It is a sad time for all those THOUSANDS of Kurds who have lost loved ones. A terribly sad time for the friends and relations of the now FORGOTTEN and DISRESPECTED Martyrs :((

If the PKK fighters leave Turkey along with them go the hopes and dreams of MILLIONS of Kurds X(
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:39 pm

Turkey might hope they will go to Iran and then PJAK will fight against Mullahs' regime. But in that case, they will stay a burden for S. Kurdistan because Iran will continue to bomb their borders.
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PostAuthor: FeyliKurd » Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Are you guys for real, surrendering? PKK will still be politically active in Turkey. This is only ceasefire, because PKK and Turkey are negotiating...

And PKK have always moved around Kurdistan. This is nothing new.
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:06 pm

Being 'politically' active does not mean 'military' active.

The PKK has 2 alternatives : Obeying to Öcalan or refusing to withdraw and surrender. Both are difficult positions. But I don't think they will refuse the conditions if Öcalan orders them to accept.

The attitude of European branch is important also : they have the money. In 1999, they did impose their views to guerrilla by threatening to stop financial transfers.

Until now Europe did not state anything.
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:12 pm

FeyliKurd wrote:Are you guys for real, surrendering? PKK will still be politically active in Turkey. This is only ceasefire, because PKK and Turkey are negotiating...

And PKK have always moved around Kurdistan. This is nothing new.

Perhaps I am older than you but I remember the PKK having ceasefires in the past

This is the first time that the PKK are being told to leave turkey
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PostAuthor: Shirko » Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:23 pm

This looks promising, I like to seee cooperation lime this. And the fighters can re-arm within minutes, sobit doesn't mean surrender. And the borders are meaningless to them, they can help train and lead in other areas.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:32 pm

HZKurdi wrote:This looks promising, I like to seee cooperation lime this. And the fighters can re-arm within minutes, sobit doesn't mean surrender. And the borders are meaningless to them, they can help train and lead in other areas.

That is it YOU have got the answer.

The borders are, as you so rightly point out, meaningless to the fighters, as they are to Kurds in general. Many Kurds who I know have relations in different parts of Kurdistan.

Instead of Kurds struggling for more rights in their own separate parts of Kurdistan. Kurds should be going to International courts trying to have the Lausanne Treaty annulled :D

Has this been tried in recent years ? ? ?
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PostAuthor: FeyliKurd » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:17 pm

Nechirvan Barzani and Ahmet Turk today in Hawler. Doesn't seem like PKK will be a burden after all. Southern Kurds stand up for their brothers in the north. Southern and Northern kurds united! ;)
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:50 pm

FeyliKurd wrote:Nechirvan Barzani and Ahmet Turk today in Hawler. Doesn't seem like PKK will be a burden after all. Southern Kurds stand up for their brothers in the north. Southern and Northern kurds united! ;)
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South Kurdistan has become a strong and powerful nation that is now independent in all but name. And I doubt it will take them much longer before they declare complete independence.

The strength of the Kurds in South Kurdistan, and the strength of the Kurds in West Kurdistan are the reasons why Turkey is so frightened.

Turkey wants to suppress the Kurds inside it's borders before they wake up to the fact that there is very little to stop them actually working closer with other Kurds to form an Independent Kurdistan.

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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:03 pm

Southern and Northern kurds united!


Strongly united … for the leaving of PKK, lol.

Moreover I wonder why Öcalan suddenly decides that Greeks and jews in Turkey are fighting against Kurds (Probably he never forgot his capture and Israël and Greece actions) but it is not clever to state a such thing, PKK will appear like antisemitic and anti christian, as if they lack of foes.

Moreover Israël and KRG are allies so they won't follow Öcalan in his sudden anger :

http://www.israelvalley.com/news/2013/0 ... rme-modele


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Yedioth : "Kurdish government officials visit Kibbutz Afikim to tap into Israeli expertise in production of dairy products. Israeli delegation to travel to Iraqi Kurdistan in bid to implement plan. It sounds like an imaginary story, but the plan is already in action: Kibbutz Afikim in the Jordan Valley is planning to set up an Israeli dairy farm in northern Iraq’s Kurdistan region, with the hopes that Baghdad’s residents will get to enjoy its products in the future.

The project is currently taking place under a veil of secrecy. Yedioth Ahronoth has learned that a delegation led by Kurdistan’s agriculture minister and vice president visited the offices of AfiMilk in the kibbutz recently".
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Qonyeyi » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:13 pm

Guys, do not listen to pilings bullshit. There is no such ultimatum, and this whole PKK disarment is based on NOTHING. Ocalan never said PKK should disarm. Listening to Ocalan= Staying military active as long as there is attacks on Kurds. Never has Ocalan said that PKK should disarm without conditions.

Even this reply is further adding to this whole myth of PKK disarming at the current stage. PKK disarming is a final stage. It comes at the end of the process. And even then, the PKK will become a defensive unit in the Kurdish areas instead of Qandil. BDP accepts this, KCK in Kurdistan and Europe accepts this, PKK accepts this. Ocalan has never aired such words.

http://www.diclehaber.com/2//viewNews/342285
http://www.diclehaber.com/2//viewNews/337135
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http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/mi ... ey4514.htm
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:27 pm

nd even then, the PKK will become a defensive unit in the Kurdish areas instead of Qandil. BDP accepts this, KCK in Kurdistan and Europe accepts this, PKK accepts this.


I doubt strongly that Turkey will accept such militias. Moreover, Öcalan said that claiming autonomy would be a sabotage of the process. He talks more about a democratic republic in Turkey. Or PKK units would be under the control of Turkish central forces, that's the only way.
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Re: Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

PostAuthor: Qonyeyi » Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:52 pm

Piling wrote:
nd even then, the PKK will become a defensive unit in the Kurdish areas instead of Qandil. BDP accepts this, KCK in Kurdistan and Europe accepts this, PKK accepts this.


I doubt strongly that Turkey will accept such militias. Moreover, Öcalan said that claiming autonomy would be a sabotage of the process. He talks more about a democratic republic in Turkey. Or PKK units would be under the control of Turkish central forces, that's the only way.


Bla bla bla. Why do you feel the need to lie? As I have learned you are a grown up woman. Why do you need to feel the need to lie about Ocalan? He never said the things you are stating. Why do you have to make up false ultimatums?
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