Peshmerga to accompany the PKK’s withdrawal from Turkey

[Aslan]

I know that. But for you to be so low to agree the degrading stuff they say, and even call for the death of Apo has clearly showed your acceptance of the bullshit they spew. You can call me whatever you want.

i was the first one to post where ocalan and turkish gov agreed to their plan and thats when i hated ogoolan for agreeing to their plans and not asking what sk has and for agreeing that pkk have to leave turkey therefore no one messed with my mind

[Aslan]

Dear Aslan, he never asked for such a thing. Qonyeyi has already given sources. It was a lie started Turkey. As soon as it has anything that is remotely anti-Apo and anti-PKK, of course, Piling will try to do anything to continue to spread this obvious lie. She spreads this lie so much, that people are actually falling for it.

Famous quote.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it".

if its a lie then y r new stations talking about it too? ak jazzerraa (how ever u spell it) and other ones that i forgot the name of

[Anthea]

They are already dividing Kurds by spreading anti-PKK propaganda and they act as if they are friend of Kurds. This is clearly not working for Kurds, but against us. Whatever, you probably cannot comprehend that. Go on dropping more ice cream and then blame me for a "tiny mind span".

Kurds have the right to know the truth and to the best of my ability I only state facts gained from KURDISH sources.

I will give you facts:
Ocalan woke up the Kurds
Thousands of Kurds joined the PKK giving up everything including families and friends and the chance of having a family of their own
THOUSANDS of Kurds have died while fighting for the PKK including over 7,000 Syrian Kurds and some of MY FRIENDS
Ocalan has changed, he has been under Turkish control for 14 years
I personally do NOT believe that he should have any involvement in the PKK leadership

I do NOT believe that Ocalan has been kept informed about the changes that are taking place WORLDWIDE:
One time Eastern Block countries have gained their independence
Indigenous people throughout the world have gained rights to their own land
Some like the Maoris in New Zealand own the rights to parts of their land and even change non-Maori for the usage
Aborigines in Australia are gaining more rights
Native Americans are seeking to enlarge their lands and are also receiving compensation for loss of land
Some African countries have divided along tribal grounds and have evolved into new countries
The Sudan has divided into North and South Sudan
These things are happening all over the world and I am POSITIVE most Kurds including Ocalan have absolutely NO IDEA

I believe that the PKK itself should take control of North Kurdistan, hold elections in 2 to 3 years and remain as the army of Kurdistan

ALL the news that I have seen recently is about what the PKK is giving up. At the same time Turkish military is conducting land operations against Kurds inside Turkey, bombing Kandil and planning to close Kurdish organisations inside Turkey

For years Turkey has used the mineral resources on Kurdish land to invest in and improve West Turkey while putting little or no effort into improving conditions in Eastern Turkey

Knowledge is empowering NOT divisory

[Qonyeyi]

Piling if Ocalan said that PKK should hand over their weapons without conditions and leave Qandil, then find the damn quote. Find the source and state it. Without a quote, without a source, it is just another one of your lies. Don't jump around the bush - get to the point. You can not say that Ocalan will deny it soon if he did not say it. That is a hypothetical synthesis. He can not deny something he never said.

And according to you, PKK, KCK and BDP are all the underdogs of Ocalan. If they all are underdogs, why do they all deny this? You seem to lack very basic analytical skills.

[FeyliKurd]

Barham Salih expresses support for current attempts to resolve Turkey-Kurdish conflict peacefully.

http://www.knntv.net/details.php?id=5491

[Aslan]

Piling if Ocalan said that PKK should hand over their weapons without conditions and leave Qandil, then find the damn quote. Find the source and state it. Without a quote, without a source, it is just another one of your lies. Don't jump around the bush - get to the point. You can not say that Ocalan will deny it soon if he did not say it. That is a hypothetical synthesis. He can not deny something he never said.

And according to you, PKK, KCK and BDP are all the underdogs of Ocalan. If they all are underdogs, why do they all deny this? You seem to lack very basic analytical skills.

"“There won’t be any problem of when the terrorist organization will lay down its arms and leave our country,” Erdoğan said in Ankara"
" leave our country, there are a lot of places that there can go in the world. They can go to neighboring countries or to other [more distant] countries. That is their choice.”"
turkish pm said that to news stations and congress of his own which ocalan agreed to as well

[Anthea]

Piling if Ocalan said that PKK should hand over their weapons without conditions and leave Qandil, then find the damn quote. Find the source and state it. Without a quote, without a source, it is just another one of your lies. Don't jump around the bush - get to the point. You can not say that Ocalan will deny it soon if he did not say it. That is a hypothetical synthesis. He can not deny something he never said.

And according to you, PKK, KCK and BDP are all the underdogs of Ocalan. If they all are underdogs, why do they all deny this? You seem to lack very basic analytical skills.

"“There won’t be any problem of when the terrorist organization will lay down its arms and leave our country,” Erdoğan said in Ankara"
" leave our country, there are a lot of places that there can go in the world. They can go to neighboring countries or to other [more distant] countries. That is their choice.”"
turkish pm said that to news stations and congress of his own which ocalan agreed to as well

Aslan it appears that WE are right

The Erdogan government is struggling to draft a new constitution for Turkey. The PKK leaders also want this constitution to mention the Kurds but Ocalan opposes this, saying there should be no ethnicity in the constitution. The Erdogan government is also working to weed out the mention of “Turks” in the current constitution and underline “citizenship of the Turkish Republic.”

[Qonyeyi]

I dont want to know what Erdogan the munafiq says about the talks. I want to know what Ocalan has exactly said ( or rather not said) about an eventual withdrawal... Just find me one quote of his. It cant be that difficult.

[Aslan]

I dont want to know what Erdogan the munafiq says about the talks. I want to know what Ocalan has exactly said ( or rather not said) about an eventual withdrawal... Just find me one quote of his. It cant be that difficult.

and i pull this information where? out of my ass? this is what turkish officials say that ocalan said and also bdp went to see what ocalans deal was so this is what was planned by both turkish gov and ocalan there is no such news wat ocalan says unless its word of mouth to whom ever went in there and talked to him

[Piling]

viewtopic.php?f=28&p=95209#p95209

Kek Talsor is also a Foreign agent or a Crypto-Turkish for spreading anti Apoist propaganda ?

Being a foreign or not has no importance for the Apocî : you are pro or anti Öcalan. An anti-Apo Kurd is not a Kurd but a traitor and someone who fires division among Kurds (the only acceptable unity in Kurdistan is to obey blindly to Öcalan ; the others are double agents).

And It makes me always laugh to read lessons of nationalism/patriotism from ppl who follow a party which spit on the historical Kurdish flag, on the Kurdish 'feudal past', which use Turkish as their working language, which used to attack some Kurdish singers like Şivan and refuse to participate with most of Kurdish celebrations except their owns.

[talsor]

http://northerniraq.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&p=95209#p95209

Kek Talsor is also a Foreign agent or a Crypto-Turkish for spreading anti Apoist propaganda ?

Being a foreign or not has no importance for the Apocî : you are pro or anti Öcalan. An anti-Apo Kurd is not a Kurd but a traitor and someone who fires division among Kurds (the only acceptable unity in Kurdistan is to obey blindly to Öcalan ; the others are double agents).

And It makes me always laugh to read lessons of nationalism/patriotism from ppl who follow a party which spit on the historical Kurdish flag, on the Kurdish 'feudal past', which use Turkish as their working language, which used to attack some Kurdish singers like Şivan and refuse to participate with most of Kurdish celebrations except their owns.

Yes , I'm a turkish agent . I must be since I put kurdistan before Apo or anyone else .

It is really sad to see that despite the facts that Ocalan openly betraying Kurds and submitting completely to the turkish will , people still defend him . I wonder what would it takes to convince our Apoci brothers that he is no good .

Anyone with half a brain will understand what Ocalan is up to just by reading the meeting notes that was released to milliyet by BDP , but then again I guess it is too much to ask .

There is no Amnesty , no independent Kurdistan , no autonomy , no cultural rights , no language rights , no Kurdish flag , no apologies for the atrocities , which makes you wonder what the F were we fighting for ? If we wanted to live in turkey as turks what the hell do we need Ocalan and PKK or BDP for ?

on the bright side Ocalan is getting an upgrade in his cable service and a bigger TV which seems to be good enough for BDP and Apocis .

Peace is a beautiful thing , but the current ( so called) peace process is shameful , insulting and humiliating to all kurds .

[Anthea]

There is no Amnesty , no independent Kurdistan , no autonomy , no cultural rights , no language rights , no Kurdish flag , no apologies for the atrocities , which makes you wonder what the F were we fighting for ? If we wanted to live in turkey as turks what the hell do we need Ocalan and PKK or BDP for ?

on the bright side Ocalan is getting an upgrade in his cable service and a bigger TV which seems to be good enough for BDP and Apocis .

Peace is a beautiful thing , but the current ( so called) peace process is shameful , insulting and humiliating to all kurds .

My young friends did NOT give up everything, and leave the safety of England to join the PKK, just to fight and die so that Ocalan gets a bigger TV

As I sit here I remember their faces, I remember the pride as they spoke, they were going to FREE KURDISTAN

@ talsor you are mistaken Ocalan does have a flag:

Betrayal



Below is the true flag because it has the blood of:

all those Kurdish freedom fighters who gave up everything to fight and die for a free Kurdistan
all those Kurds who were arrested, tortured and murdered by the Turkish regime
all those missing Kurds whose un-named bodies were dumped in mass graves on rubbish tips
all those innocent Kurdish women and children who were burnt alive
all those Kurds who died as a result of forced relocation
all those countless THOUSANDS who have been mercilessly SLAUGHTERED by Turkey

THIS is the flag that Ocalan and the BDP hold up high

[Anthea]

Unbelieveable. You would think Turks has a better love for PKK than you guys.

I am NOT against the PKK and never have been

I am against Ocalan because he has BETRAYED the PKK

The white flag is known internationally as the flag of surrender

Ocalan's white flag is stained with the blood of all those who have died

Perhaps you are young and do not remember everything that happened when Ocalan was arrested

Perhaps you do not know about all the in-fighting that took place and almost destroyed the PKK

PLEASE have your say - perhaps you know things that nobody else does - I await your list:

PLEASE LIST THE BENEFITS OF OCALAN'S PEACE PLAN

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11986

[talsor]

Unbelieveable. You would think Turks has a better love for PKK than you guys.

Keke min , If Ocalan does what he says and PKK/BDP actually follow what he orders then Turks should make a big statue for him in Ankara .Northern Kurdistan practically will be handed to turkey on a plate of Gold with Zero compromises from turks .

I still have hope that PKK will not do what Ocalan says after listening to murat karayilan speech a couple of month ago where he rejected any notion of leaving Northern Kurdistan .

[Aslan]

Oh, ffs, you're like a broken recorder. Repeating the same thing, moreover, repeating a damn lie...

you have a big mouth on u clearly so prove her "lies" since u feel so strong that ur right!!! prove her wrong instead of repeating that she is always wrong ... show some proof kuni