Results of the war (2013)

[Piling]

Since 30 years, every winter, the PKK stops its operations and Turkey states ' we have defeated terrorists'. Every spring, the war starts again.

No conventional army is efficient against a guerrilla, while a guerilla can not win on a battle ground.

So in a military point of view, no winner, no loser. Even Saddam with all its chemical campaign could not really annihilate the resistance. Even Dersim genocide in 1937=38 could not kill rebellion.

If Turkish army is so efficient, why that war has lasted since 30 years ? Against mountaineers and their light weapons ?

I spend many times in Dersim and I could observe how young Turkish soldiers were terrified by the guerrilla AND their own officers. They did not want to die. And they were afraid to be shot in front (by PKKs) and from behind (by their officers if they refuse to go on). They were just young men and all stupid pro-militarist speeches, written by someone who did not die in these mountains (and often their own children won't never go to war because Turkey send lower class people to the war) is an insult to these poor guys, who are not saints, not devils, just stupid humans sent to a stupid death for a lost cause.

[Piling]

PKK will suffer very heavy losses but will not be finished as long as they have means to recruit new members and keep their organization.

The best agent for recruiting PKK members among Northern Kurds is Turkey itself. Without Turkish policy, PKK would have disappeared for a long time.

No Turkish officer will shot their soldier for this obeying his commands.

lol. You never went as a soldier in South-Eastern war, I guess.

[Cewlik]

They can be freedom fighters for you, they are terrorists for me, different point of view.

No that is not a different point of view, there is your lie and my fact. There was a deal between Kurds and Turkey a official contract that Kurds should get self-determination if they fight with Turkey. Kurd did that and only because of the Kurds Turkey was able to establish this borders. But after that they dont implemented their promises. Not only that, they even banned the Kurdish language and culture committed massacres against Kurds, try to assimilate them. That is why the PKK start to fight and get support in north Kurdistan. So it have nothing to do with terrorism.

The biggest terrorist is the turkish state, which killed and tortured thousands of Kurds, which destroyed thousands of Kurdish viallages, banned the Kurdish language and culture etc.

If you seek a propaganda side you can go to a turkish Forum where they will ban yopu for the word Kurdistan. And this side should let a racist to insult Kurds as terrorists?

[Cewlik]

The solution can only be reached if Kurds get their full freedom.

[Cewlik]

So you believe Turkey will come to your terms?

They will have no other opportunity.

The Soviet Union, Ottoman empire, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Serbia etc. are good examples.

[Feyli_kord]

I don't know what will happen. All I can tell you is that, aslong as you don't try some armenian genocide shit. Kurds will always be there.

[Cewlik]

I don't know what will happen. All I can tell you is that, aslong as you don't try some armenian genocide shit. Kurds will always be there.

I couldn't understand what you are talking about.

You should blame your brain, maybe its to small.

[Shere Medya]

ANKA is MALE (medium altitude long endurance) Has 24 hour mission time. UAV equips aselsanFLIR-300 which can easily detect any IR signiture with multi targeting system from long distance(9 kilometers if i am not wrong). Turkey will have 20 of this UAV in 2013. These will cover all PKK camps and their operation areas.

Currently Turkey has 9 AH-1 Super Cobras. I don't know how many of them are in the southeast region but i know that not all. In 2013 TAI will deliver 15 T-129 (TUC 1 configuration) to armed forces. This indigenous helicopters already competing in the international competations and regarded as one of the best attack helicopters in the world. One can see PKK will be seriously in trouble.

I am not even mentioning BORA-12 sniper rifle, SOM cruise missile or GOKTURK reconnaissance satellite.

PS. Turkey have 10 HERON UAV but have one ground control station. One station can manage 3 UAV. Turkey is buying 2 additional ground stations. So the active UAV number will number boost 29 from 3

Still you won't be able to fight off a few thousand PKK Guerillas with all that equipment What makes you think all that will make any difference?

[Shere Medya]

We are fighting PKK guerillas for 30 years and we can fight with them for another 30 years. The difference is going to be, PKK will suffer more casulties but Turkish military will suffer less.

Actually I trust PKK sources instead of imperialist sources so I believe that actually the Turkish army is suffering more losses. How many more helicopters are going to be destroyed because of 'bad weather conditions' ?

[Fire]

A facist turk with wolf picture (Symbol of the turkish facist anti Kurd party MHP, who deny the existence of Kurdish nation)

is calling Kurdish freedom fighters terrorist, denies the crimes and the occupation of the Terrorstate Turkey against Kurds, refuse the Kurdish Right for Self Autonomy and Independence and even denies the Armenian genocide. And this facist is making day for day his Turkish facist propaganda in this Kurdish Forum.

Kurdish People get critized for insulting Turks and on the other side this turk facist is insulting Kurds in each of his posts. And this happens in a Kurdish Forum. This is just a joke.

Is the mod of this forum a Turkish facist?

[Shere Medya]

We are fighting PKK guerillas for 30 years and we can fight with them for another 30 years. The difference is going to be, PKK will suffer more casulties but Turkish military will suffer less.

Actually I trust PKK sources instead of imperialist sources so I believe that actually the Turkish army is suffering more losses. How many more helicopters are going to be destroyed because of 'bad weather conditions' ?

I don't believe neither Turkish media, nor PKK sources. I think both trying to make news in their favors. In the previous post, i expressed purely my thoughts.

I don't know any helicopters destroyed due to to bad weather conditions. I know 2 cobra helikopters destroyed due to MANPAD's launched by PKK. If you have any resource please share.

Mind the bullshit map on the right please

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20278891

Oh and btw, note clearly that it says 'rebels' and not 'terrorists'

[Qonyeyi]

Bold claims, any proof?

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-262610- ... -base.html

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-146301- ... egion.html

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/one-so ... &nid=27404

And these are just attacks by PKK. PKK are usually very low profile with their metropol elements, while TAK ( Kurdistan Freedom Falcons) are more radical in their timing and attacks. Turkey has yet to eliminate TAK with their less than 100 members LOL, and you are here talking about eliminating PKK?

[Qonyeyi]

And these are just attacks by PKK. PKK are usually very low profile with their metropol elements, while TAK ( Kurdistan Freedom Falcons) are more radical in their timing and attacks. Turkey has yet to eliminate TAK with their less than 100 members LOL, and you are here talking about eliminating PKK?

The conversation was about;

You should not worry for the PKK in the mountain. You should worry for the millions of PKK in your own cities my dear friend. You lost this battle long ago. Now find a way to not lose your beloved country. A country forcefuly put together by glue that is drying out.

And I would lose my country with Terror attacks like bombing, ied expoloding. Get real man.

Dude, you were talking so proudly about your new weapons etc etc. And I merely said that you might, some day in your fantasy and dreams, eliminate the PKK in the mountains. But how in the holy name of God are you ever going to eliminate the PKK in your cities? How are you ever going to eliminate the PKK that can stage attacks at any times in your own Aegan and Western cities, when you can not even cope with TAK ( they have less than 100 members)? Maybe it is time for you to get real.

If you continue like this, and if you really believe you can win this by military, I say some get it. Yes, millions of Kurds and Turks might die, but in the end, the UN will intervene and they will split the country in two halves. I do not wish for this. I do not wish for that many people to die, but you facists insist on this. You are so far from reality. '' Look we got new weapons!!! Look we got new drones!!!''. Are you going to continue like this for another 30 years?

[Anthea]

Quick question:

Why does EVERYONE keep mentioning 30 years ?

The Kurds have been struggling for their freedom ever since their traditional homelands were formally divided

In fact Kurds were fighting against the actual division as it was taking place, which is why they were bombed by Britain in 1920s

[Anthea]

Quick question:

Why does EVERYONE keep mentioning 30 years ?

The Kurds have been struggling for their freedom ever since their traditional homelands were formally divided

In fact Kurds were fighting against the actual division as it was taking place, which is why they were bombed by Britain in 1920s