Row grows over ritually slaughtered meat on sale in UK

[Anthea]

BBC News UK

What is halal meat?

Halal is Arabic for permissible. Halal food is that which adheres to Islamic law, as defined in the Koran.

The Islamic form of slaughtering animals or poultry, dhabiha, involves killing through a cut to the jugular vein, carotid artery and windpipe.

Animals must be alive and healthy at the time of slaughter and all blood is drained from the carcass. During the process, a Muslim will recite a dedication, know as tasmiya or shahada.

The RSPCA says slaughter without pre-stunning causes "unnecessary suffering".

Full article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27324224

[Anthea]

Front page of:

Daily Mail

and now on:



Big brand shops and restaurants face being forced to label halal food as row grows over ritually slaughtered meat on sale in UK

Supermarkets and restaurants sell halal to customers to save money
They do it so the meat can be eaten by Muslims and non-Muslims
More than 70% of all New Zealand lamb in supermarkets is halal
Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons, Waitrose and M&S all sell it
Nick Clegg demands better labelling, but is happy to eat halal pizza



Supermarkets and restaurant chains face being forced to label food containing halal meat as a row grew over millions of customers being left in the dark about what they are eating.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg today demanded better labelling using a designated logo, but insisted he was happy to eat a halal pizza.

MPs could use a debate on new consumer legislation next week to force a change in the law, after it emerged ore than 70 per cent of all New Zealand lamb in supermarkets is from halal abattoirs – a fact not stated on labelling.

Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons, Waitrose and Marks & Spencer all confirmed they sell the imported meat.

Full article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... el-it.html

[Anthea]

Personally I am becoming VERY angry as I am looking to find a source of non-halal meat and chicken in England (as I stated elsewhere)

I still have not been able to source non-halal produce in England because badly and untrained halal butchers go to abattoirs demanding to be allowed to slaughter animals and should anyone dare to refuse them they scream racism

I have only got a week left in which to scource non-halal supplies - but due to the recent publicity I will not be the only person looking

[talsor]

To put an end to this B.S campaigne against Halal meat , see the halal way video and none halal way of slaughtering animal and decide for yourself .

None Halal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksFlFuqeQVk&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

Halal way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0BWeGLpvdc&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89tnJquFXFY&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

[Piling]

And now, think about the lobsters, crabs and shrimps which are boiled alive (and snails also I suppose and many shells), and what did happen to the hen which lays the eggs we eat and the fate of the calf by which we drink milk and eat cheese.

Except 100% vegans, humans are guilty bastards

[Anthea]

The story about halal/non halal has been all over the media in England for the past few days - nothing to do with me I do not control the media

I am a non-meat eating person who spent most of my formative years around farm animals - which is why I could never eat them

The main object of marketing is to meet the needs of the customers - my client's customers do not want halal produce therefore I must provide a source of non-halal for my clients

I have been trying to locate a source of non-halal farm produce for the past couple of weeks - I had not thought that it was a priority - or that I would have any difficulty in locating any such produce

However- due to the recent publicity concerning halal meat (and yes I do believe that people have the right to choose) I have been shocked to discover how little non-halal produce there is available in England

It was not until I started phoning around myself - that I discovered how some farms and abattoirs are being COERCED and more or less THREATENED into allowing the halal style slaughter to take place on their premises

Now when I phone round seeking non-halal produce I learn that a great many other people are also demanding non-halal produce and am hearing some horrendous stories

As I mentioned somewhere else earlier - I have a friend who studied as a butcher and then went on to become a halal butcher - through him I learnt a great deal

An English butcher spends years training - they train how to spot signs of illnesses in animals - they learn all the different techniques required in dealing with all the many assorted animals - poultry - game etc that are available in England

Anyone looking through youtube could find anything they want - probably even a Martian butcher if they look hard enough and yes there are probably good and bad butchers - there are good and bad in all things - my halal butcher friend is good and now takes on apprentices

The fact is that English mutton is now replacing imported halal lamb on many menus - and takeaway shops in the middle and north of England are starting to lose trade - I have not had any information from shops down south yet but am sure that I will.

[Piling]

It's moral bullshit that we don't care how an animal lives, only how it dies

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... upset-dies

I am 100% agree with him : killing takes a short time ; the most appalling is how animals lived some months before.

Moreover, in France, some investigations have shown that many so-called 'halal' meats were not in reality, just false labels. They even found pork meat in 'halal' stuff

Once, I saw a so-called 'halal' Nem rán. That was incredibly exotic : nems is the national vietnam recipe, and vietnam has no muslim background at all… Once, they will invent 'halal' choucroute

[Anthea]

It's moral bullshit that we don't care how an animal lives, only how it dies

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... upset-dies

I am 100% agree with him : killing takes a short time ; the most appalling is how animals lived some months before.

Moreover, in France, some investigations have shown that many so-called 'halal' meats were not in reality, just false labels. They even found pork meat in 'halal' stuff

Once, I saw a so-called 'halal' Nem rán. That was incredibly exotic : nems is the national vietnam recipe, and vietnam has no muslim background at all… Once, they will invent 'halal' choucroute

In recent years animal welfare has improved a great deal in UK - not so in a lot of other countries - which is why many people only buy British farm produce

[talsor]

The story about halal/non halal has been all over the media in England for the past few days - nothing to do with me I do not control the media

Lady give it a rest and enough with this propaganda . You have a brain and you can think for yourself instead of following this none sense . The difference between halal and none halal is practically nothing except .

1-The animal's head is towards Macca when slaughtered
2-"by the name of God the merciful who forgive us " verse is said when slaughtering the animal

The main object of marketing is to meet the needs of the customers - my client's customers do not want halal produce therefore I must provide a source of non-halal for my clients

What client and why do you make up stories ? you are as you mentioned a disabled person who is on Rojbash 24/7 .

However- due to the recent publicity concerning halal meat (and yes I do believe that people have the right to choose) I have been shocked to discover how little non-halal produce there is available in England

Between the lines you are trying to say that england is turning to a muslim country right ? Yes it is

It was not until I started phoning around myself - that I discovered how some farms and abattoirs are being COERCED and more or less THREATENED into allowing the halal style slaughter to take place on their premises

You are no different from any extremist and given a power you will do nothing less than what they are doing . You are no body (me too ) so act like it instead of spearheading a none halal meat campaign like you are a bloody CEO of the None halal meat organization on a kurdish site . Do you think any one gives a damn here?

The fact is that English mutton is now replacing imported halal lamb on many menus - and takeaway shops in the middle and north of England are starting to lose trade - I have not had any information from shops down south yet but am sure that I will.

Ok , good for you Go eat your none halal meat and let the muslim eat their halal meat .

[Anthea]

Why I concerned about what appears in the media:

People are easily swayed by media - some even cry when a fictitious person is killed off in a soap opera

Most of my Kurdish friends from Turkish occupied North Kurdistan work in cafes and takeaways - some are already starting to lose trade

Just yesterday one friend told me he has decided to get out of the takeaway business and into non-halal restaurants

If the publicity continues many Kurds in England could actually lose their business

I do NOT eat meat

People should be informed as to whether or not the food is halal or non-halal and have the right to make an informed choice for themselves

[talsor]

Most of my Kurdish friends from Turkish occupied North Kurdistan work in cafes and takeaways - some are already starting to lose trade

Just yesterday one friend told me he has decided to get out of the takeaway business and into non-halal restaurants

If the publicity continues many Kurds in England could actually lose their business

On one hand you are complaining about the lack of none halal meat (which is a lie ). by directly accusing muslims of taking over England , then come out as a humaniterian by defending the poor , helpless ,uneducated muslim kurds who are about to lose their livelihood for lack of none halal meat . so what are you ? a humaniterian or a racist , may be both wait , I do not want to know . I have been to London several times and all major supermarket chains in london sale primerly none halal meat , so where is your crises and why do you lie ?

This is not a health issue nor it is a cultral issue , it is a political issue that is being promoted by those who hold the signs " Go Home "and actively demonising immigrants which is creating a big public unrest . The hillirious part of all this is second hand citizin wanna be English like you are joining the fight that is not winnable .

[Anthea]

I repeat I am NOT nor NEVER have been a meat eater

The recent media publicity has obviously nothing to do with me - if talsor is so angry I respectfully request he complains to the media outlets and the BBC about their coverage

The BBC is an extremely widely viewed news site - and the Mail Online is the most viewed media site on internet in the UK - the Daily Mail newspaper itself is also one of the most widely read newspapers and the article in had on it's FRONT PAGE will have been read by MILLIONS - most other media sites and newspapers have given the subject wide coverage

I am attempting to find a guaranteed source of non-halal produce to meet with clients requests on behalf of their customers - if people in the food service industry fail to meet the needs of their customers then they lose customers - so it is a perfectly logical request

It was only when I started phoning round trying to locate non-halal produce that I discovered how difficult it is to obtain - how many people are having difficulty in obtaining it - and about all the pressure being put on abattoirs to allow halal slaughter to take place on their premises - I do NOT believe that people should feel under threat to comply with the demands of halal butchers

If anyone knows of a farm or butcher who could provide me with a guaranteed supply of English non-halal produce in the south of England then please do so - thank you in advance

[talsor]

I repeat I am NOT nor NEVER have been a meat eater

No one cares and this is not about your diet , which we have an entire thread dedicated to that .

The recent media publicity has obviously nothing to do with me - if talsor is so angry I respectfully request he complains to the media outlets and the BBC about their coverage
The BBC is an extremely widely viewed news site - and the Mail Online is the most viewed media site on internet in the UK - the Daily Mail newspaper itself is also one of the most widely read newspapers and the article in had on it's FRONT PAGE will have been read by MILLIONS - most other media sites and newspapers have given the subject wide coverage

You preach Racisim by projecting it on the media or he said and she said .

I am attempting to find a guaranteed source of non-halal produce to meet with clients requests on behalf of their customers - if people in the food service industry fail to meet the needs of their customers then they lose customers - so it is a perfectly logical request
It was only when I started phoning round trying to locate non-halal produce that I discovered how difficult it is to obtain - how many people are having difficulty in obtaining it - and about all the pressure being put on abattoirs to allow halal slaughter to take place on their premises - I do NOT believe that people should feel under threat to comply with the demands of halal butchers

If anyone knows of a farm or butcher who could provide me with a guaranteed supply of English non-halal produce in the south of England then please do so - thank you in advance

oh please do not act like a victim . Like i said you project your racist views through this and that which is frankly the cowards way . There are thasounds of Restaurant in londons who serves all kind of none halal meat and you are telling me that you have a crisis because some immigrant decided to sale hala meat to muslim customers .Just googling it gives you hundreds of results , but like I said this is not about meat for your kind .

[Anthea]

I am seeking a supply of non-halal produce for a business located in an area where people do not want halal meat - meeting the needs of their customers is good business sense and does NOT make my KURDISH friends racist - they would be extremely foolish to ignore their customers' wishes

Perhaps a certain person's attitude has just shown us why so many Kurdish businesses fail - they ignore what their customers want - and only sell what they want

[KabirKuhi]

Whats the big deal with halal meat? Are you against kosher meat aswell? Why do you care of meat is halal or not? Why must everyone in the world accept European values, culture and influence, but Europeans are not satisfied unless they piss on everything that has to do with Islam or middle-east. Harmful or not. Can anyone tell me exactly what the major difference is between halal and non-halal meat? And why halal meat should be banned but kosher or any other method of preparation should not.