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DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:30 pm

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DNA Proof of Racial Differences – More Facts Come to Light

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John Philippe Rushton is a Canadian psychology professor widely known for his highly controversial work on racial group differences. In an Internet Essay in 2001: Is Race A Valid Taxonomic Construct? he argues that racial differences make sense in terms of human evolution. Talking of migration out of Africa he says that the further north people went out of Africa, the harder it was to get food, shelter, make clothes, and raise children. So the groups that evolved into today’s Whites and Orientals needed larger brains, more family stability, and a longer life. The time and energy needed to build a bigger brain was a trade off with slower rates of growth, less aggression and less sexual activity.

He claims that this racial pattern is evident all around the world: “…on average, African-descended children are born with smaller brains than European- or East Asian-descended children…”, and concludes that “Black underachievement is not simply due to ‘White prejudice’” because they are born with smaller brains than White or East Asian children. Rushton has provoked controversy for years and is criticised by many scientists and researchers for being poorly researched and promoting scientific racism. Robert Sussman, an evolutionary anthropologist and editor in-chief of American Anthropologist, said of one of Rushton’s books in 1998: “This is an insidious attempt to legitimize Rushton’s racist propaganda and is tantamount to publishing ads for white supremacy…If you have any question about the validity of the ‘science’ of Rushton’s trash you should read any one of his articles and the many rebuttals by ashamed scientists“.

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A whole new wave of genetic race debate came in May 2010 with the reporting of the initial results of the Neanderthal Genome Project. These pointed to interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans which has left a genetic legacy of between 1-4% of Neanderthal autosomal DNA in non-African Eurasians.

Blogger Lee John Barnes on far right wing website 21st Century British Nationalism seized on this to proclaim, “Yes Race exists” and outline The New Race Theory. He states that the fact that Modern Europeans are part Neanderthal explains racial differences. He translates the Neanderthal Genome Project Team’s ‘1-4% for all Eurasians’ into: “Modern Europeans have a minimum of 4% DNA from Neanderthals = Whites who are the descendants of the Cro-Magnons.

East Asians have 2% DNA from Neanderthals = the Oriental racial groups. Black Africans have no DNA from Neanderthals = African blacks. It appears that Australian aborigines do not have any Neanderthal DNA either, so they are also archaic Homo Sapiens from Africa”. This is despite project team member, geneticist David Reich, saying that all non-Africans – be they from France, China or Papua New Guinea – share the same amount of Neanderthal DNA, suggesting that interbreeding occurred before those populations split.

Genetic evidence also suggests that Australian Aborigines descend from the same lineage as the first modern humans to migrate from Africa.

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The US journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reported on a study showing that the DNA of living indigenous Australians in Western Australia and people in New Guinea and around the Indian Ocean could be traced back to the first humans to leave Africa 50,000 – 70,000 years ago.

The study also revealed very little gene flow into Australia and New Guinea in the 50,000 or so years since the initial migration and that Australian Aborigines evolved in relative isolation compared to other parts of the Indian Ocean, which were subject to much more genetic mixing. This doesn’t fit Lee John Barnes’ assertion that “the white skin of the Modern European people is inherited from our Neanderthal ancestors and is also shown by the pale skin tone of the East Asians as compared to modern Africans. The more Neanderthal DNA a racial group possesses, the lighter their skin tone.”

He also makes a remarkable assertion that “The DNA difference between human beings and chimps is around 4 %. The percentage difference in DNA between Modern Europeans and Modern Africans is around 4 % as well in relation to the percentage of Neanderthal DNA. Therefore racial differences are as distinct between Modern Europeans and Modern Africans as between human beings and chimpanzees”.

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Is this true? Richard McCulloch is an American author and also a noted white supremacist who has written several books advocating racial segregation. In an article called The Races of Humanity in 2010 he wrote about the percentages of genetic differences between various human populations and quoted the work of respected biologists Masatoshi Nei and Arun K. Roychoudhury,

Evolutionary Relationships of Human Populations on a Global Scale (1993) as “perhaps the best study to date (2010) on this subject”. In presenting their original work Nei and Roychoudhury pointed out that their analysis was “an attempt to obtain a rough picture of the history of the evolution of various human populations”. Nevertheless McCulloch reformatted their data into “an easier to read and understand format”, adding the genetic difference of a chimpanzee “for context and comparison”, to produce the following table:

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From his reinterpreted data of genetic distance, he said that one could, with an Englishman as a starting point, spatially visualise the “very significant genetic differences” between various populations by imagining them standing a corresponding number of feet away from each other.

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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Anthea » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:08 pm

Most of us will dispute the findings as being racist

Look again - many people in Europe will agree with the parts that show orientals to be more intelligent than white people - we often hear the term "Inscrutable Chinese" - why would it be so difficult to believe that blacks are less intelligent than whites :-\

Such tests have been carried out on numerous occasions and the orientals ALWAYS come out as being he most intelligent :ymapplause:
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:58 pm

No one with any knowledge of ancestry genetics, believes in cranial-size bullshit. It's a debated issue, but few scientists support the idea of intelligence being determined by cranial-size, there is paltry evidence for the overall effect of cranial size. Also neanderthal DNA are not the causes for differences for overall differences, that's pure bullshit. We don't even know what neanderthal genes influence, it's still in a very unexplored stage. However wrote this has zero knowledge of ancestral genetics and genetic anthropology. It sounds like the material you find on white supremacist and European far-right websites, citations of Philippe j.Rushton, outdate cranial size, dodgy citations of IQ tests.


1. While it's right that neanderthal DNA varies in groups, and that Eurasians have it while Africans don't, it constitutes minimal differences. We also don't know what these 4, only recently there were some articles discussing how neanderthal DNA affected lipid metabolism in populations with neanderthal ancestry. These far-right European idiots however, are low-IQ enough to make statements without any underlying strong evidence.

2. There is alooooot more genetic diversity then what entails a lot more than what "constitutes races". F.ex europeans themselves show affinities all over eurasia. As do west-Asians, as do central-Asians, other Eurasians, aswell as australians. The traditional definition of race is entirely meaningless, all Eurasians today, even Africans, are descendents of different pre-historic waves of periodically isolated homo sapiens. The only difference is the shared proportions of ancestry, and distance of interrelatedness. There is no "race" in the sense that there some sort of genetically continuum. That's a myth perpetuated by racists ignorant of science. A European or a west-Asian will f.ex most likely show signature patterns that are typical for west-Eurasia, but that doesn't mean they're descendent from some pure groups, only that their recent ancestors most likely inbred with similar ancestors. Human populations today have so many layers. Today genetics-anthropologists, archaeologists, paleo-biologists are scratching the surface of human ancestry and genetics. And what they have found, doesn't coincidence with antiquated definitions of race.

3. majority of those traits described by Philippe J.Rushton are cultural and subjective.

3. ROFL... at those antiquated Fst distance charts. They're "largely" accurate, but they don't say anything about functional differences between races. They only measure distances between allele-frequency patterns. Probably based on a very small dataset of SNPs.

4. No scientists have come to an agreement about the IQ gap. The scientific debate. People usually cite Philip j.Rushton, because his work is controversial, and simplifying and readily available. It's still a topic of debate, even though most scientists cite the lack real evidence, beyond statistical performance, as moot point for the assertion.

5. According to Phillipe j.Rushton and Richard Lynn(who are cited in your post), your IQ should be low being half-Indian(their average IQ is 80).

6. Neither Philip j rushton or Richard Lynn are geneticists, let alone ancestry geneticists. So them talking about race is rich. Their research is limited to statistical findings, from where they make inferences, without any real knowledge of biology or neurobiology.

I can't believe people like piling call Kurdish nationalists, racists. That above is a perfect example in differences in mentality. I really hope you don't agree with this absurd bullshit Anthea. If you do, i have no idea why you're on a forum about Kurdish issues. This not the place for racialist propaganda by deluded far-right idiots from Europe and race-obsessed North-Americans. Someday you'll come and say that you've vote for the BNP.

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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:37 am

This is mostly BS, (to be fair!) Ive also seen many retraded looking and ugly and dumb ass East Asian and white Nordic types too, and also many smart blacks whit pretty features straight out of Africa. And why does he focus in East Asians, Europeans and black Africans so much? Near Easterners / Mediterreans (pre dumb ass current era Arab/Turkish/Persian rule, and later Dip Shit Ottoman & Safavid ) the most evolved of all the human breed
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:00 am

Shirko wrote:This is mostly BS, (to be fair!) Ive also seen many retraded looking and ugly and dumb ass East Asian and white Nordic types too, and also many smart blacks whit pretty features straight out of Africa. And why does he focus in East Asians, Europeans and black Africans so much? Middle Easterner (pre dumb ass current era Arab rule, and later Dip Shit ottoman rule) the most evolved of all the human breeds.



They did do some research.. and concluded that people from istanbul to india had a iq of 80-90(10-20 points lower than europeans). It's really pathetic studies and assertations based on manupilating statistics(Some which were false).

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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:15 am

KabirKuhi wrote:
Shirko wrote:This is mostly BS, (to be fair!) Ive also seen many retraded looking and ugly and dumb ass East Asian and white Nordic types too, and also many smart blacks whit pretty features straight out of Africa. And why does he focus in East Asians, Europeans and black Africans so much? Middle Easterner (pre dumb ass current era Arab rule, and later Dip Shit ottoman rule) the most evolved of all the human breeds.



They did do some research.. and concluded that people from istanbul to india had a iq of 80-90(10-20 points lower than europeans). It's really pathetic studies and assertations based on manupilating statistics(Some which were false).


From Istanbul to India is like ten times more population and five times the land mass. Read my Edit and tell me what you think.
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: KabirKuhi » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:44 am

Shirko wrote:
KabirKuhi wrote:
Shirko wrote:This is mostly BS, (to be fair!) Ive also seen many retraded looking and ugly and dumb ass East Asian and white Nordic types too, and also many smart blacks whit pretty features straight out of Africa. And why does he focus in East Asians, Europeans and black Africans so much? Middle Easterner (pre dumb ass current era Arab rule, and later Dip Shit ottoman rule) the most evolved of all the human breeds.



They did do some research.. and concluded that people from istanbul to india had a iq of 80-90(10-20 points lower than europeans). It's really pathetic studies and assertations based on manupilating statistics(Some which were false).


From Istanbul to India is like ten times more population and five times the land mass. Read my Edit and tell me what you think.


I agree with you about mediterreaneans and middle-easterners. But safavids and ottomans were not dumbshits. Safavids were a Kurdish-Azeri-Persian dynasty were definitely not dumb-shits. They were amongst the most well-educated and cultured in the entire world. Ottoman scholars were not bad either. Even though European historians(who rule academia today) tend to downplay their importance. They would not have collapsed if not for the economic-war they had with europeans, who destroyed their economies and made them fall-behind. That and not initiating the industrial revolution was some of their biggest faults, and probably one of the reasons, why middle-east is in such a huge mess today.

Europeans intellectual "superiority" is only because of the last 200 years, they've had an abundance of resources, aswell as stability to develop their education. If kurds had a unified state, they could build similar educational institutions, and outdo europeans and north-americans. Their success really has depended on projecting their internal conflicts, outwardly(colonialism in africa, north-america, middle-east, south-americas) and building expontential growth and trade by dominating it globally, while protecting their own domestic markets and domestic economies from other competitors. They're not smarter than us. When middle-easterners had an edge, they contributed to every scientific field of the time.
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:02 am

KabirKuhi wrote:

I agree with you about mediterreaneans and middle-easterners. But safavids and ottomans were not dumbshits. Safavids were a Kurdish-Azeri-Persian dynasty were definitely not dumb-shits. They were amongst the most well-educated and cultured in the entire world. Ottoman scholars were not bad either. Even though European historians(who rule academia today) tend to downplay their importance. They would not have collapsed if not for the economic-war they had with europeans, who destroyed their economies and made them fall-behind. That and not initiating the industrial revolution was some of their biggest faults, and probably one of the reasons, why middle-east is in such a huge mess today.

Europeans intellectual "superiority" is only because of the last 200 years, they've had an abundance of resources, aswell as stability to develop their education. If kurds had a unified state, they could build similar educational institutions, and outdo europeans and north-americans. Their success really has depended on projecting their internal conflicts, outwardly(colonialism in africa, north-america, middle-east, south-americas) and building expontential growth and trade by dominating it globally, while protecting their own domestic markets and domestic economies from other competitors. They're not smarter than us. When middle-easterners had an edge, they contributed to every scientific field of the time.


Well said and I agree with the above . I called the later era Ottomans and Safavids dip shits, for squandering all the rescources of the region and neglecting to keep pace with European development, and especially allowing their populations to reach such a level of ignorance. Yes Safavids would be less worthy of the dumb ass title, but still.


And yes believe Kurds can quickly develop their societies if allowed to independently flourish to the highest potential. If nothing else, it would be driven by pure stubbornness and pride. But a Kurdish brand and style will be born with a nation, a good work ethic is essential.
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Shirko » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:21 am

Sorry for all the bad language tonight, hevalo min.
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Re: DNA Proof of Racial Differences

PostAuthor: Anthea » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:40 am

Shirko wrote:...Kurds can quickly develop their societies if allowed to independently flourish to the highest potential. If nothing else, it would be driven by pure stubbornness and pride. But a Kurdish brand and style will be born with a nation, a good work ethic is essential.


Left alone Kurds have some qualities that most other peoples do not - Kurds have determination and a will to survive even when their own leaders try to suppress their desire for independence

Kurds help each other - they share with each other - they have the will to achieve and a desire to learn - in Syria Kurds are among the most educated of the people - the same applies to Kurds in Iran and Iraq

Only in Turkey after years of slaughter - torture - relocations and suppression have Kurds become lethargic - set Kurds free - give them an independent United States of Kurdistan and they will ALL rise to the occasion :ymparty:
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