Disadantages of Democracy ?

[dyaoko]

The latest admission by the Bush administration, that it had badly underestimated the appeal of Hamas and its ensuing election victory, underscores two critical points: first, the unpredictability of democracy in the Middle East and second, the repeated incompetence of this administration.

The Bush people have repeatedly bragged about the benefits of democracy and democratic movements to change the Middle East in ways that would benefit U.S. foreign policy interests. Iraq, where a Shiite-Kurd coalition that is supported by Iran came to power, and Iran, where the administration now faces a hard-line anti-American president, and now in the Palestinian elections, the victory of Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel, has turned their reasoning on its head.

What is more troubling is that the administration has the choice of either accepting these results as proof that democratic movements are positive, or repudiating them as inimical to U.S. interests.

History has a way of repeating itself, and it should be remembered that the Weimar Republic of Germany allowed democratic elections, which ushered in the Nazi regime of Adolf Hitler. The Nazis often claimed that they would use the tools of democracy to destroy it. And of course, the rest is history.

Source : Sun Sentiel

what do you think about this article ?
by my idea Democracy may be harmfull for a temporary time .
I am sure 15 years later, Iraqi peopel wont love Sistani [if there be any sistani] and wont love a relligous government...
and peopel of palesinte of seeing that Hamas can do nothing without support of America , wouldnt vote for Hamas anymore.

what do you think ?

[heval]

In the case of Iraq, there are several other problems besides Democracy that makes it not work so well. You have to remember the cases of ethnic tension, as well as the fact that Iraq was not created by the people, per se, but it's establishment was set by western powers. However, there is another clear problem too... the people in the Middle East have not been educated enough about the advantages of a fair democracy. Most importantly, there has been no effort to educate certain people of their backwards mentalities (and sometimes very racist mentalities) prior to democratic elections. If educated people are not voting in democratic elections, their votes can very easily be influenced by extreme religious or fascist ideologies. There has been no efforts (in the case of Iraq, for example) to educate the people immediately following the war. The U.S. and the West are ignoring these facts and this is one of their biggest mistakes if you ask me...

[dyaoko]

very good mention of ethinc factor and creationg of state factor,
I think democracy doenst work well for the states that are made by Fake Border that makes ethinc live together UnWillingly .

for example in Turkey, the majority of the peopel are super nationalist, and as Turks are majority of that Unwillingly Created country,
they would always vote for a somebody to butcher Kurds more and they would always win .

in Iraq as shias are majority they would vote somebody to butcher sunnies.
today it was in Peyamner that a Shia Police killed 19 innocent sunny .

just imagine you would attach Armenia to Turkey by force and then setup a democracy there , Turks would vote to butcher Armenians as well.
and Armenian votes wouldnt work , as they are not majority.

so as you said democracy should be esablished in the countrys which are Naturaly ONE NATION , not been forced to be a nation.

[Piling]

There is an advantage to that : in Iraq, Shiites and Kurds could vote soon or late democratically to have their own state

And don't cry about a Shiite regime in iraq, it is the best chance for Kurds : as so long as American could not trust Southern Iraq, they will be obliged to keep Kurds as their"best allies" (idem for Israel).

[CMAR II]

The election of Hamas has nothing to do with Democracy. Both the Fatah Party and the Hamas Party are involved with terrorists and human bombs. Fatah is more secular, but had been outrageously corrupt stealing money given for the people and delivering nothing in return. And for the last 35 years, Fatah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad have murdered any Palestinians who spoke of peace and reason.

There's nothing democratic about killing all of your rivals and forcing people to pick from what is left.

That's the same problem with the success of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. The government censured all the secular parties but they couldn't stop people for going to the mosque. The MB was free to organize all they wanted at the mosque, and the secular parties were arrested by the police whenever they "gathered" to organize. The success of the MB has nothing to do with democracy. Just the opposite.

The president of Iran got elected the same way.

I agree that just holding elections is not "democracy". Saddam held elections. But no Middle East country will get to democracy without holding elections. I am glad that the Palestinians can elect their own leaders and suffer whatever consequences there are for what they do. Just because you don't elect the leaders, doesn't mean they'll be any better.

[malatyali]

very good mention of ethinc factor and creationg of state factor,
I think democracy doenst work well for the states that are made by Fake Border that makes ethinc live together UnWillingly .

for example in Turkey, the majority of the peopel are super nationalist, and as Turks are majority of that Unwillingly Created country,
they would always vote for a somebody to butcher Kurds more and they would always win .



so as you said democracy should be esablished in the countrys which are Naturaly ONE NATION , not been forced to be a nation.

Than tell me how come MHP got more than 40% in Haymana which is a city whose inhabitants are 100% from kurdish descent while DEHAP(pro-PKK party managed by Abdullah Ocalan and his puppets) got less than 2% of the votes?

so as you said democracy should be esablished in the countrys which are Naturaly ONE NATION , not been forced to be a nation.

Compaletely agreed! But what is ONE NATION? Tell me a country where there is ONE NATION?

[tomjez]

Ireland, Island... Turkey until very recently officially. France! (even if it's a lie)...