The Middle East... How it came to be!

[zurderer]

how many turd you have at north kurdistan?

[Diri]

how many turd you have at north kurdistan?

What do you mean?

You are speaking in riddles... Turds are assimilated Kurds... Not Kurds who are Kurds - with different views...

You should pay attention to what people say instead of making up your own ideas of what they say...

[Piling]

An assimilated Kurd does not stay willingly in Kurdistan. It needs a great courage and a great love of the country for staying in Northern Kurdistan.

[zurderer]

eerrr, realy? so you think, kurds stay at north kurdistan, because of their huge love against kurdistan land?

[Piling]

Life in Kurdistan is not easy you know. But in exile they are unhappy. Exile is a misfortune for everybody, in fact.

[zurderer]

exile is not a good thing, but again they are not exiled to large cities.

[Piling]

They are. And they suffer, psychologically and economically like refugees. They don't like to live there. They would like to come back in their home. But their home don't exist anymore. Their village has been burnt and they have lost everything. Officially, they could not even have aid from state, because of their poverty, for they have not even their paper, the attestation where they lived before (for their place does not exist anymore). Turkish administration which help poor people should close their eyes and make as if they have all the papers and certificates need to that. Some of them are human and nice and do it.

Refugees in Turkish cities have changed the face of these cities. They are not like economical migrants. It changes all the urban policies.

[zurderer]

exiled means they forced to go large cities. It is not same with burning villages, they could go diyarbakır, but instead of diyarbakır they went istanbul.

Now istanbul is largest kurdish city, so it looks like a lot kurds went istanbul, instead of diyarbakır.

[Piling]

They went in Diyarbakir, in Urfa, Van, and Western cities, in fact they went where they could and where they have relatives, or where they hope to find a job. It is not easy to work in a city when you are a farmer.

And Istanbul in 90s was a place without war, it was precious if you compare with Diyarbakir. For refugees, when they arrived in a city (Diyarbakir or Istanbul) are still persecuted by police, and arrested, threatened.

In Diyarbakir, Law of exception was worse, they were persecuted by police AND army, And Special Sections... a bit more difficult.

[zurderer]

Point, the prefered to istanbul to diyarbakır. Turkey to kurdistan, so it looks like turkey is not so much bad

By the way, there is not a large discrimination at istanbul. Infact If there were not pkk, there wont be any discrimination. Unfortunately large support of kurds to pkk, created a lot discrimination against them.

[Piling]

It was better because of the Emergency Rule ! Did you ever heard of it ???

In 90s, Kurdistan was hell. Army and police were everywhere. But it was the fault of Turkey if you see what I mean...

[zurderer]

what about better education, better economy or better healt care, better social life? Kurds didnt interest this?

[Piling]

They are interested ! For that reason they are not very happy to be the Southern-Anatolia Province, for Turkey has always neglected to developp the country. Better for them to join Southern Kurdistan, the small no-state, in 12 years has made more efforts to improve their country (though totally destroyed by saddam) than Turkish republic since 1923.

Why do you think Kurds revolt constantly ? Because they are ruled by a colonial regime and economy : all their natural resources are used by a foreign metropole and in return, no investments, no factory, no university, a under-developped country.

It is not a great advantage to be a Kurd in Turkey, that's the problem. Then now they hope badly to be European citizens, they don't care of Turkey, and why should they love it ? It has made nothing for them but massacres, suffering, deprise. And unfortunately, it won't change now.

[Diri]

exiled means they forced to go large cities. It is not same with burning villages, they could go diyarbakır, but instead of diyarbakır they went istanbul.

Now istanbul is largest kurdish city, so it looks like a lot kurds went istanbul, instead of diyarbakır.

Excuse me? "exiled means they forced to go to large cities"??? Hahahahahaha


For your information: Exiled means being forced to leave your place - doesn't matter WHERE you go... The term "exiled" is usualy applied to people who have fled from one country to another...

I am exiled... So is every other diaspora Kurd... And diaspora means outside of Kurdistan... No need to go to a large city to be called an "exile"...

Burning villages is the hobby of the Turkish army...

[zurderer]

They are interested ! For that reason they are not very happy to be the Southern-Anatolia Province, for Turkey has always neglected to developp the country. Better for them to join Southern Kurdistan, the small no-state, in 12 years has made more efforts to improve their country (though totally destroyed by saddam) than Turkish republic since 1923.

Why do you think Kurds revolt constantly ? Because they are ruled by a colonial regime and economy : all their natural resources are used by a foreign metropole and in return, no investments, no factory, no university, a under-developped country.

It is not a great advantage to be a Kurd in Turkey, that's the problem. Then now they hope badly to be European citizens, they don't care of Turkey, and why should they love it ? It has made nothing for them but massacres, suffering, deprise. And unfortunately, it won't change now.

so we have some small problem, why dont kurds vote for ethnic kurdish parties? largest vote ethnic kurdish part got is 2 million(at last election, even this numbers fallen). It should be 12 million (If kurds population is 20 million), or 6 million If kurdish population is 10 million.

By the way, what minerals are turkey using? being a citizen of france effected your mind, sorry colonization is nothing turkey knows(so ottomans)

Colonization is a western idea, not eastern one. As I said before Turkey waste more money than she gain from kurdistan, economically It is a burden for us.

no investments, no factory, no university, a under-developped country.

thanks to pkk, they killed teacher, factories(there were not much, but still are) were closed after them, and I dont know who is enough mad to invest that area when pkk is a threat for them.

Burning villages is the hobby of the Turkish army...

Yeah a hobby they gained after pkk.