Bush : we must learn farsi -arabic indian russian chinness..

[Diri]

Red Wolf... I think the ideology which the PKK presents is counter Kurdish interests...

There are many things which are negative about the policies of ALL the parties of Kurdistan...

One of the things wrong about the policies of the PKK: Speaking Turkish...

I think DTP - Demokratik Toplum Partisi is a better party to support in Northern Kurdistan... It has been in the shadow for a long time - but I have the impression that it is more pro-Kurdayetî and has no "special" ideology... It only says: I am Kurd and Kurdistanî...

The PKK for example says: "No Kurdistan without Apo"

[red wolf]

bro diri you have right its true turkey wants to be a member of eu to be a member they must follow democratic progrsesess. yes but we shouldnt forget that witout pkk maybe there wouldnt DTP. during years many new
freedom kurdish groups has been created, TAK one of them . We hav TAK like war way against companies in turkey an unfortenely turists who support turkish goverment when the have holiday there. you know its cost money for turkey this war against kurds and now when kurds has established their own controlled are in s-kurdistan they want to use pkk to invade like israel did to lebanon hisbollah. Terrorism is perfect subject for them to convince usa r´to invade s-kurdistan

DTP is a perfect parti for kurds its democratic and dont uses weapon methods. but the question is will turkishs goverment allow this parti go far i hope they will go far so as pkk

[Diri]

bro diri you have right its true turkey wants to be a member of eu to be a member they must follow democratic progrsesess. yes but we shouldnt forget that witout pkk maybe there wouldnt DTP. during years many new
freedom kurdish groups has been created, TAK one of them . We hav TAK like war way against companies in turkey an unfortenely turists who support turkish goverment when the have holiday there. you know its cost money for turkey this war against kurds and now when kurds has established their own controlled are in s-kurdistan they want to use pkk to invade like israel did to lebanon hisbollah. Terrorism is perfect subject for them to convince usa r´to invade s-kurdistan

DTP is a perfect parti for kurds its democratic and dont uses weapon methods. but the question is will turkishs goverment allow this parti go far i hope they will go far so as pkk

Yes we must not forget what the PKK has done for the Kurdish struggle in Bakûr... Of course it has been very important in our struggle...
But now it isn't doing much good... And it is slowly dying... Everything has changed... Now we should put our hope in new blood and new ideas...

And you are right - Turkey may not let DTP become too prominent... Hmmm...

[tomjez]

freedom kurdish groups has been created, TAK one of them . We hav TAK like war way against companies in turkey an unfortenely turists who support turkish goverment when the have holiday there.

HAK is not a freedom group, its a group which wants to avoid peace

When I went as a tourist in Hewler, I supported Barzani, when I went to Sulemanye, I supported Talabani, if I go to Iran, I will support Ahmadinedjad, if I go to NY, I will support bush. Is this what you're saying?

[Diri]

Hahaha - Did you realy do that Tom?

[red wolf]

tomjez the world close their eyes when turkish gov kills innocent people child to women oldmseek ones everybody .

you know it there are no democracy in turkey, TAK doesnt attack only holiday markets but also business places like banks,companioes only to damage the turkish economy. the inflation is high in turikey recent years they hav rebuild a good economic progress. if we can damge it they cant go forward as much they want.

tomjez kurds wants peace but turks wants to kill

ne mutlu kurdum diyene

[AlbaSaab]

acoording to radio farda, the american radio in persian , bush said there is a plan to teach farsi, arabic, chinnes indian, russian to american students from kindergarden to university...

he said this is a step to be more fimmilar with ppl of middle east and cultures.
analyzers said this is bush's trick to fight with terrorsism.

I just wonder why Bush is not going to teach kurdish to american students...dont they need to be fimmilar with us ?
as fars as I know, kurdish is the 4th language of the middle east by number of the speakers.

I don't believe anything that man says!

[AlbaSaab]

tomjez the world close their eyes when turkish gov kills innocent people child to women oldmseek ones everybody .

you know it there are no democracy in turkey, TAK doesnt attack only holiday markets but also business places like banks,companioes only to damage the turkish economy. the inflation is high in turikey recent years they hav rebuild a good economic progress. if we can damge it they cant go forward as much they want.

tomjez kurds wants peace but turks wants to kill

ne mutlu kurdum diyene

If the world closes its eyes to it, then why is Turkey not allowed into the EU?

[red wolf]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

[AlbaSaab]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

Money is the main issue with everything, but EU are "saying" that it's because of the human rights issue. But, I do actually believe that there would be uproar in EU if Turkey were allowed in before it changed its policies on human rights. Just my opinion, ok?

[Diri]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

Money is the main issue with everything, but EU are "saying" that it's because of the human rights issue. But, I do actually believe that there would be uproar in EU if Turkey were allowed in before it changed its policies on human rights. Just my opinion, ok?

Everybody has a different oppinion...

Right now the reasons Turkey isn't getting in are:

1) They must admit the Armenian/Christian Genocide...
2) They must leave Cyprus alone - giving back the occupied lands...
3) Improve cultural, political and social rights for Kurds....
4) Improve the economy...

[AlbaSaab]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

Money is the main issue with everything, but EU are "saying" that it's because of the human rights issue. But, I do actually believe that there would be uproar in EU if Turkey were allowed in before it changed its policies on human rights. Just my opinion, ok?

Everybody has a different oppinion...

Right now the reasons Turkey isn't getting in are:

1) They must admit the Armenian/Christian Genocide...
2) They must leave Cyprus alone - giving back the occupied lands...
3) Improve cultural, political and social rights for Kurds....
4) Improve the economy...

Weel, that's more or less what I said.

[Diri]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

Money is the main issue with everything, but EU are "saying" that it's because of the human rights issue. But, I do actually believe that there would be uproar in EU if Turkey were allowed in before it changed its policies on human rights. Just my opinion, ok?

Everybody has a different oppinion...

Right now the reasons Turkey isn't getting in are:

1) They must admit the Armenian/Christian Genocide...
2) They must leave Cyprus alone - giving back the occupied lands...
3) Improve cultural, political and social rights for Kurds....
4) Improve the economy...

Weel, that's more or less what I said.

Yes... It was - but you stressed the economic importance more than the other three - which in my oppinion are more important and which it seems are more important to the EU than economy...

And I agree with what you said; The EU wouldn't allow a backwards and un-democratic Turkey to enter...

[AlbaSaab]

thereare geographic problems mam albasaab more........ but Eu cant always check the stability of every countries insidde problems. money is the main issue in this issue. so therfore eu close their eyes when people are getting massacrated.

Money is the main issue with everything, but EU are "saying" that it's because of the human rights issue. But, I do actually believe that there would be uproar in EU if Turkey were allowed in before it changed its policies on human rights. Just my opinion, ok?

Everybody has a different oppinion...

Right now the reasons Turkey isn't getting in are:

1) They must admit the Armenian/Christian Genocide...
2) They must leave Cyprus alone - giving back the occupied lands...
3) Improve cultural, political and social rights for Kurds....
4) Improve the economy...

Weel, that's more or less what I said.

Yes... It was - but you stressed the economic importance more than the other three - which in my oppinion are more important and which it seems are more important to the EU than economy...

And I agree with what you said; The EU wouldn't allow a backwards and un-democratic Turkey to enter...

No, Mr. Wolf stressed that point. I basically said that when all said and done, it's money in the end, for anything politically, or at least that's what I meant.

[red wolf]

hehehehehe albasaab i think i am right you just want to give better arguments but mines are much better