Sometimes the world is better without Kurds...

[Balci]

nothing ?

[nuray]

ı agree. there is too much hate here.

There is so much stupidity and selfishness in this world. But oh well... more fun for me.

Hey Nuray. Stop trying to think of yourself as a Turk. You are not from Central Asia, you don't have any central asian ancestors, and your ethnicity is Zaza (Indo-European, not Altaic).

You should just associate yourself with the Zaza movement going on in Turkey. And I found it out on wikipedia. It is called "TIKO" and it is a rebel organization working to liberate Zazaistan from Turkey and Kurdistan. Just like the Assyrians.

It is not too late, don't become assimilated, Nuray.

i am half breed, türk and zaza. i do not want to join cause i am not a rebel...

[Balci]

Yeah, but remember, as a Turk, you may be 100% zaza, 50% greek or Kurd, if you are not a part of those 9% who are central asians though.

[Darkseid]

Yeah because most "Turks" are actually and genetically a different ethnic group like Kurd, Armenian, Greek, or Zaza.

The Turks of Hatay are almost all Levantine people that identify themselves as Arabs.

Almost all Turks in the Balkan peninsula near Istanbul are all Thracian, which is a seperate ethnic group closely relative to Bulgarian.

[nuray]

Yeah because most "Turks" are actually and genetically a different ethnic group like Kurd, Armenian, Greek, or Zaza.

The Turks of Hatay are almost all Levantine people that identify themselves as Arabs.

Almost all Turks in the Balkan peninsula near Istanbul are all Thracian, which is a seperate ethnic group closely relative to Bulgarian.

ok i have question about azeris cause my father is azeri and live in tabriz before move to türkiye. what do you think of azeri genetics? do you think of them as türks?

[K4L_2007]

Yeah because most "Turks" are actually and genetically a different ethnic group like Kurd, Armenian, Greek, or Zaza.

The Turks of Hatay are almost all Levantine people that identify themselves as Arabs.

Almost all Turks in the Balkan peninsula near Istanbul are all Thracian, which is a seperate ethnic group closely relative to Bulgarian.

ok i have question about azeris cause my father is azeri and live in tabriz before move to türkiye. what do you think of azeri genetics? do you think of them as türks?

It doesn't matter what other people think tbh, if azeri see themselves as turks, then they can do it, other turks have no right to deny their "turkishness" (like some actually do) If they see themselves as iranian people, then you can do it if you want.

But if you ask what I believe, then i'd say none of them, azeris are a unique sort of their own.

[Darkseid]

Yeah because most "Turks" are actually and genetically a different ethnic group like Kurd, Armenian, Greek, or Zaza.

The Turks of Hatay are almost all Levantine people that identify themselves as Arabs.

Almost all Turks in the Balkan peninsula near Istanbul are all Thracian, which is a seperate ethnic group closely relative to Bulgarian.

ok i have question about azeris cause my father is azeri and live in tabriz before move to türkiye. what do you think of azeri genetics? do you think of them as türks?

Azeris are like the Spanish. They are a mix of a variety of ethnicity but they retain a specific language. Or like the French in a way, because Azeris are mostly Indo-European, but their language is Turkish.

[Diri]

It is true...

what did you mean anyway?? I mean specifically

do you wish you came from another land??

Honestly?

I can't remember why I started this thread... Let me think...

I think it was because I was disappointed with some Kurds + we have no country + we are just always on the fight and never have any peace to do what others do - our families are spread all over the world and we are guests in the West and other countries - and when we are in our own homeland, we are prisoners who can't do anything Kurdish and be ourselves...

So I guess that's what made me start this thread...

It angers me that there are some Kurds who give their people a bad name...

I don't know... I just want to go home to my Ûrmiye and live my life among my family and relatives and we will all die one day, so why waste the time we have been given with hating and war and rascism (as MissIndependent said)...

I'm just angry... I'm just tired... And I'm just seeking peace...

[Diri]

Yeah because most "Turks" are actually and genetically a different ethnic group like Kurd, Armenian, Greek, or Zaza.

The Turks of Hatay are almost all Levantine people that identify themselves as Arabs.

Almost all Turks in the Balkan peninsula near Istanbul are all Thracian, which is a seperate ethnic group closely relative to Bulgarian.

ok i have question about azeris cause my father is azeri and live in tabriz before move to türkiye. what do you think of azeri genetics? do you think of them as türks?

Nuray, I am from Iran, and I can help you out about the Azeris...

You see the "Azeri" were Kurds, Talysh, Persians and other Iranic people... They lived in those lands before the Turkmen invasion and Mongolian invasion... So when the Turkmen came, they settled in Azerbaycan mostly - while some went further to Chaldiran (Kurdistan) where they fought against the Roman Empire, and won - and then they moved even further west - and settled around Ankara, Bursa and Konya - Central Anatolia, in other words...

But the largest number of Turkmen remained in Azerbaycan - and that eventually assimilated the people in that region (Kurds, Talysh, Persian etc.) to speak Turkmen instead of Kurdish, Persian, Talysh etc... Before they came, Azar Padegan (real name of Azerbaycan) was under Kurdish rule... You can check Wikipedia for this information - The Shaddadide dynasty I think it was...

And so the people of Azar Padegan were under Turkmen rule and assimilated into speaking Turkmen... But they are culturally and socially Iranic, not Turkman...

With time, they developed their own dialect... Since they were not in direct contact with other Turkmen tribes...

Anyway... You are you, Nuray... You can be Arab, Persian, Kurdish, Turkish, French or even African if you wish...

It's in your heart... You are a human and you have a mind! You decide who you are...

[missIndependent]

Honestly?

I can't remember why I started this thread... Let me think...

I think it was because I was disappointed with some Kurds + we have no country + we are just always on the fight and never have any peace to do what others do - our families are spread all over the world and we are guests in the West and other countries - and when we are in our own homeland, we are prisoners who can't do anything Kurdish and be ourselves...

So I guess that's what made me start this thread...

It angers me that there are some Kurds who give their people a bad name...

I don't know... I just want to go home to my Ûrmiye and live my life among my family and relatives and we will all die one day, so why waste the time we have been given with hating and war and rascism (as MissIndependent said)...

I'm just angry... I'm just tired... And I'm just seeking peace...

I totally understand you bro.. but NEVER GIVE UP!
the first thing you need is to feel the peace inside yourself, and then you'll have the guts..

[Diri]

Honestly?

I can't remember why I started this thread... Let me think...

I think it was because I was disappointed with some Kurds + we have no country + we are just always on the fight and never have any peace to do what others do - our families are spread all over the world and we are guests in the West and other countries - and when we are in our own homeland, we are prisoners who can't do anything Kurdish and be ourselves...

So I guess that's what made me start this thread...

It angers me that there are some Kurds who give their people a bad name...

I don't know... I just want to go home to my Ûrmiye and live my life among my family and relatives and we will all die one day, so why waste the time we have been given with hating and war and rascism (as MissIndependent said)...

I'm just angry... I'm just tired... And I'm just seeking peace...

I totally understand you bro.. but NEVER GIVE UP!
the first thing you need is to feel the peace inside yourself, and then you'll have the guts..

Maybe my fiancee can help me with that... I mean find my peace... Actually - in a way, I think I would find peace in her... She is... Oopss... This is a forum! Hahaha

But yeah - I think basically it's important to have somebody to love and to love that person back And then everything will work out fine...


Don't you think?

[nuray]

Nuray, I am from Iran, and I can help you out about the Azeris...

You see the "Azeri" were Kurds, Talysh, Persians and other Iranic people... They lived in those lands before the Turkmen invasion and Mongolian invasion... So when the Turkmen came, they settled in Azerbaycan mostly - while some went further to Chaldiran (Kurdistan) where they fought against the Roman Empire, and won - and then they moved even further west - and settled around Ankara, Bursa and Konya - Central Anatolia, in other words...

But the largest number of Turkmen remained in Azerbaycan - and that eventually assimilated the people in that region (Kurds, Talysh, Persian etc.) to speak Turkmen instead of Kurdish, Persian, Talysh etc... Before they came, Azar Padegan (real name of Azerbaycan) was under Kurdish rule... You can check Wikipedia for this information - The Shaddadide dynasty I think it was...

And so the people of Azar Padegan were under Turkmen rule and assimilated into speaking Turkmen... But they are culturally and socially Iranic, not Turkman...

With time, they developed their own dialect... Since they were not in direct contact with other Turkmen tribes...

Anyway... You are you, Nuray... You can be Arab, Persian, Kurdish, Turkish, French or even African if you wish...

It's in your heart... You are a human and you have a mind! You decide who you are...

thanks for taking time to share info. if what you say is fact than that would mean i am iranic and zaza. i will do search on wikipedia... i know i am human but i want to know my genealogy.

[Diri]

Nuray, I am from Iran, and I can help you out about the Azeris...

You see the "Azeri" were Kurds, Talysh, Persians and other Iranic people... They lived in those lands before the Turkmen invasion and Mongolian invasion... So when the Turkmen came, they settled in Azerbaycan mostly - while some went further to Chaldiran (Kurdistan) where they fought against the Roman Empire, and won - and then they moved even further west - and settled around Ankara, Bursa and Konya - Central Anatolia, in other words...

But the largest number of Turkmen remained in Azerbaycan - and that eventually assimilated the people in that region (Kurds, Talysh, Persian etc.) to speak Turkmen instead of Kurdish, Persian, Talysh etc... Before they came, Azar Padegan (real name of Azerbaycan) was under Kurdish rule... You can check Wikipedia for this information - The Shaddadide dynasty I think it was...

And so the people of Azar Padegan were under Turkmen rule and assimilated into speaking Turkmen... But they are culturally and socially Iranic, not Turkman...

With time, they developed their own dialect... Since they were not in direct contact with other Turkmen tribes...

Anyway... You are you, Nuray... You can be Arab, Persian, Kurdish, Turkish, French or even African if you wish...

It's in your heart... You are a human and you have a mind! You decide who you are...

thanks for taking time to share info. if what you say is fact than that would mean i am iranic and zaza. i will do search on wikipedia... i know i am human but i want to know my genealogy.

Yes, you can find what I just wrote on the net...

And actually, do you know what that would make you? It would make you a person of Iranic descent... Because Zaza are also Iranic... So you would be the ideal person to work for an Iranic union and Iranic unity...

There is something called "Pan-Iranism" - which is a ideological movement, which wants to unite and bring together all Iranic people under one umbrella... "Aryana" or "Arya" - the land of the Aryans...

You should read about it... It's like "Turan" of the Turkic peoples... But difference is - Pan-Iranism is for Iranic people

[nuray]

i will read about it. spas.

[Diri]

i will read about it. spas.

You are welcome...

I'm very happy to have you here at the forums...