Turkish Civilization: Never Existed!

[Emanoelkurdistani]

Turkish* Civilization: Never Existed!

I was interesting in history and geography since I was 8 years old. I can clearly remember my history books in the school (I have grown up in the Near East) starting with “Diaoko” (first Median-Iranian king) and his work of unifying ancient Kurdish tribes to defend their land against regular attacks of bloody Assyrian enemy. After him, we were reading about Cyrus the Great, Darius, Alexander and his descendents, Parthians, Sassanids, raise of Muhammad in Arabia, Muslims invasion on Iran, domestic wars between Ali (4th Caliphate) and Muawiya son of Abu Suphian… Nomadic Turkish invasions, Turko-Mongol invasion… Ottoman-Safavid wars, and so on.

Besides the great aspects of the Iranian civilization (Median, Achamenian, Parthian and Sassanid periods) we also informed about where the invaders came from: Assyrians, Muslims, Alexander, Turks and Mongols. Though for all the ancient nations the name “Assyrian” reminded “cruelty” but these bloody cruel people had their own civilizations in Nineveh and centre of current Iraq. Iranians always read about Muslims invasion on Iran and how they killed men, burned libraries, raped women, etc. But indeed before this invasion they had their own civilization in Hijaz mountains. Big cities of “Mekka”, “Medina” (<originally named “Yathrib” which after Islam they called it “Medinat Al Nabi” ~ “City of the Prophet/Muhammad”), “Taif”, etc. No need to talk about Greek civilization and Alexander! As u see all the cruel invaders came from they own cities and civilizations, but Chingis and Turkish invaders were indeed exceptions! Instead of an urban home, or even a rural home, Chingis came from the local tents which Turkmen call them “alaçiq” and Siberian Mongols “ulus” (< very funny that the Modern Turkish term “ulus” in meaning of “nation” comes from this Siberian “ulus”! God knows what might be the connection between “Siberian tents” and “Turkish nation”!! The funnier is that the term “national” in so-called PURIFIED Modern Turkish is composed of Mongolian “ulsu”~”tent” and French “-al”: “ulusal”!! Indeed plus the experiences of Modern Turkish Government of Turkey in cases of military, treating with ethnic and religious minorities, economics and money, etc. we must add linguistic experiences to this worthy list too!!). All the way from time of ancient Sogdians to around 150 years ago (last attacks of Turkmen tribes to the Mazandaran province of Iran which defeated by Zaghmarzi Kurds of Sari) we can find no trace of civilization you could refer to the Turkish people! All of their acts were based on the ex-civilizations. For example in the current Turkistan of China the civilization is exactly based on Ancient Iranian people of “Khotan” and “Sogdia”. Even the names of the cities are mainly Iranian terms “Yarkend” (“City of the Sweetheart”). Also Uygur Turks (current residents of Chinese Turkistan) are in a though relation with Iranian culture. For example the Islamic “selat” ~ “pray” is called “namaz” and instead of Arabic “edhan” they say “bang”. All mosques and other archaic buildings are built in the Northeastern Iranian (Khorasani) styles.

As you know all over the world the term “civilization” is tagged to the meaning of “city” or “village”. Exactly passing the stage of being “nomadic” to “staying in a village or city” is called “civilization”. In Arabic “civilization” is called “medeniyet”/”temeddun” from “meden” ~ “city”. In Kurdish it’s called “şaristanîtî”, from the word “şaristan” ~ “big city”. In Persian the original Iranian word is lost and they use Arabic “temeddon” but if they ever wanted to purify it they would replace Arabic “temeddon” with Persian “şahrvari”, “şahrgerayi”, etc. from Persian “şahr” ~ “city”. As you see the “base of the civilization” is “city” and “village”. Even if you wanted to purify your language about the term “civilization” so there must be any original word for “city” or “village” in your language. So lets take a look at the Turkish Language purified with genius super-man linguistic experts of “Turk Dil Kurumu” (Governmental Academy of Turkish Language), in order to realize what’s their suggestion about a pure Turkish word for “civilization” after around 70 years of non-stop linguistic research on Turkish language: “uygarlık”. So let’s see from where it comes: “uygar” + “-lık”. “-Lık” is a Turkish suffix and “uygar” is their willed pronunciation of the word “Uygur” ~ “Uygur Turks”!!! They selected “Uygur” word because of two major reasons:

1. There is no pure Turkish word for “city” and “village” in all kinds and variations of Turkish language all over the world!!

2. Uygars were the first Turkic nation to possess civilization (worthy of mention that while Golden Iranian civilizations go as far as 3000 years ago but the oldest Turkic civilization is younger than “1300” years! Also this Turkic civilization was exactly based on ex-Iranian civilizations of the respective area, as I just talked about Iranian effects on Uygur Turks, for example the term “Karakhoja” kingdom of Uygur golden civilization is exactly a Turco-Persian term from Turkish “kara” ~ “black” and “khoja” ~ “master” from Persian “khwaja” or “khaja”; also about Uygur music: “Russian scholar Pantusov writes that the Uygurs manufactured their own musical instruments; they had 62 different kinds of musical instruments and in every Uygur home there used to be an instrument called a "dutar"” And every Iranian knows that “dutar” exactly is a famous Iranian instrument as its name is an Iranian name: “du” ~ “two” and “tar” ~ “wire”).

Besides this in Ottoman Turkish language and even in other Turkic languages such as “Azerbaijani Turkish” you cannot find any original Turkish word in meaning “city” or “village”. In Ottoman Turkish they currently say “şehîr” ~ “city” which is borrowed from Persian “şehr” < Old Iranian “xşethre”~”city”; and “köy” ~ “village” which is also borrowed from Persian “koy” ~ “little town”. In Azerbaijani Turkish “şeher” ~ “city” of Persian origin and “kend” ~ “village” from Old Iranian “kantha” borrowed via Tati into today Azerbaijani Turkish.

The poverty of Turkish language is a flat fact but this poverty sometimes illustrates other facts about Turkish people. Indeed the fact you cannot find any original Turkish word in meaning of “city” or “village” just illustrates if any original-independent Turkish civilization ever existed or not, or they loaned “civilization” from Iranians just same as the respective loan-words!

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I used the term “Turkish” to refer to “Ottoman” and “Oquz” Nomadic Turkic tribes who invaded Anatolia, Kurdistan, Armenian, Eastern Greek lands and Azerbaijan in the last millinum. The authorities of Republic of Turkey consider their selves as “descendents” of “Nomadic Ottoman Turks”.

[zportoshki]

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Avars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasian_Avars
Khazars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_Khaganate
Karluks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qarluq
Turgesh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turgesh
Oghuz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks
Gokturk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks




The "GREAT HUN EMPIRE" - 204 B.C - 216 A.D


(Büyük Hun İmparatorluğu)


Founder - Mete (Bagatir)
Additional information:
The Chinese called them the Hsiung-Nu.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Great Hun Empire is an orange-yellow flag with a yellow dragon.
Area: At the north, Siberia; south, Tibet - Kashmir; east, Pacific Ocean; west, Caspian Sea;
(Total Area - 18,000,000 Km²)


The "WESTERN HUN EMPIRE" - 48 - 216 A.D
(Batı Hun İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Panu
Additional information:
The Empire of Western (Hiung-Nu) Huns lasted from 48 to 304 AD. The ruler had the title of Shan-Yu. This state was under Chinese overlordship. One of the leaders founded the short-lived Earlier Chao state, one of the 16 kingdoms, in Shansi (304-329).
Flag: The alleged flag of the Western Hun Empire is a plain yellow-orange flag.
Area: The area over present Central Asia



The "EUROPEAN HUN EMPIRE" - 275 - 454 A.D
(Avrupa Hun İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Muncuk, Oktar, Rua & Aybars (brothers)
Additional information:
This is Attila the Hun's Empire, which caused the Great Migration in Europe and ended with Attila's death in 453 AD.
Flag: The alleged flag of the European Hun Empire is white with a yellow crowned bird with spread wings.
Area: Southern Russia, Romania, Northern Yugoslavia, Hungary, Austria, Chekoslovakia, Southern & Central Germany; The area from eastern France to the Ural mountains; from northern Hungary to the Byzantine Empire;
(Total Area - 4,000,000 Km²)



The "WHITE HUN EMPIRE" - 420 - 552 A.D
(Ak Hun İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Aksuvar (Aksungur)
Additional information:
The White Huns (a.k.a. Hephthalites, Ephthalites, Hayathelites, Ye-tai, Huna), originating from the Altai Mountains, occupied in the Vth century AD Western Turkestan and disappeared in the second half of the VIIth century.
Flag: The alleged flag of the White Huns is white with three yellow stars placed vertically in upper hoist.
Area: Half of northern India, Afghanistan, parts of Turkistan
(Total Area - 3,500,000 Km²)



The "GOKTURK EMPIRE" - 552 - 743 A.D
(Göktürk İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Bumin Khan (Tumen)
Additional information:
The Blue Turks overthrew the Juan-Juan masters of Mongolia in the VIth century AD and established a vast Empire spreading across both eastern and western steppelands to the Volga and beyond. Almost immediately this state split into western and eastern Khanates. They were finally defeated by the Uighurs in 745. This is the first documented Turk state. The Buddhist monk Xuan Zang met its ruler galopping in the steppes in the vicinity of Tashkent in 685.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Göktürk Empire is blue with a green wolf's head.
Area: The inacessible valleys of the Altay Mountains (Ergenikon)
(Total Area - 18,000,000 Km²)



The "AVAR EMPIRE" - 562 - 796 A.D
(Avar İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Bayar Khan
Additional information
Avars were a nomadic Turkish or Mongol people which, in the late VIth century AD invaded the plain of Hungary and set up a powerful kingdom, even besieging Constantinople. They declined in the VIIIth century, until defeated by Charlemagne at the end of the VIIIth century.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Avar Empire is green with a black rider shooting backwards with a bow.
Area: The area between the Volga, Hungary and Bessarabia



The "HAZAR EMPIRE" - 602 - 1016 A.D
(Hazar İmparatorluğu)

Founder - There are no historical data as to the original founder, however, its greatest ruler was Hakan Yusuf.
Additional information:
The Hazars or Khazars were a nomadic people who set up an extensive state in the steppelands east and west of the lower Volga in the VIth century AD. They were converted to Judaism around 800 (that is, they chose this religion in preference to Islam and Christianity). In the later Xth century the rulers of Kiev broke their power. Some writers such as Arthur Koestler have claimed that the majority of the European or European-descended Ashkenazic community of today are not really Semites but are actually the descendants of these Hazars. They allegedly traveled westwards into Eastern Europe when the other Turkic peoples embraced Islam.
The Hazara of Afghanistan are an ethnic group which has been around for ages but which have only recently developed a sense of ethnic identity. There is no relation whatsoever to the medieval Hazars or Khazars.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Hazar Empire is blue with an unidentified white device in canton and five white stars arranged in a > pattern.
Area: The Hazars who are believed to be an offshoot of the Gokturks migrated to the West and formed a state stretching from the Caucasian Mntns to the Danube and to the middle of and Southern Russia.



The "UYGUR EMPIRE" - 740 - 1335 A.D
(Uygur Devleti)

Founder - Kutlug Bilgekul Khan
Additional information:
This state was related to the Uyghurs/Uighurs, the Turkic people over near where the Turks originated, in the VIIIth-IXth century in Sinkiang, Western China.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Uygur state is yellow-orange with two yellow masks (?).
Area: Central Asia and Northern Mongolia.



The "KARAHAN" - 932 - 1212 A.D
(Karahanlılar)

Founder - Saltuk Bugra Han
Additional information:
This was an Empire north of the Ghaznevid Empire, founded by a family of Karluk Turkish descent, which ruled in the X-XIIth centuries, with capitals in Bukhara and Kashgar (Balasaghun).
Flag: The alleged flag of to the Karahan is yellow-orange with an unindentified white device.
Area: All the Trans-Oxus area including the area between the Issyk and Balkash Lakes



The "GAZNELI EMPIRE" - 962 - 1183 A.D
(Gazneliler)

Founder - Alptekin
Additional information:
The Empire of the Ghaznavids, founded by Mahmud of Ghazni (ruled 998-1030), had its center in Ghazni, Afghanistan.
Flag: The flag attributed to the Gazneli is green with a grey crescent in canton and a peacock.
Area: The area from the Trans-Oxus to the Ganges River, and from the shores of the Caspian to the steppes of the Pamir.
(Total Area - 4,700,000 Km²)



The "SELCUK EMPIRE" - 1040 - 1157 A.D
(Büyük Selçuk İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Selçuk Khan
Additional information:
This refers to the Seljuk Turks, a Muslim dynasty established in what is now eastern Turkey after about 1065 AD.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Great Seljuk Empire is blue with a white winged and double-headed silhouette and a black bow and arrow.
Area: At the East, Balkash and Issyk Lakes and the Tarim Derya; At the West, Aegean and the Mediterranean shores; At the North, Aral Lake, Caspian Sea, Caucasian and the Black Sea; At the South, the area including Arabia and the sea Omman.
(Total Area - 10,000,000 Km²)



The "HARZEMSHAH" - 1077 - 1231 A.D
(Harzemşahlar)

Founder - Kudrettin Mehmet (Harzemshah)
Additional information:
Khwarizm Shah was the region around Khiva, near Lake Aral. This area is related to the Anushtiginid dynasty, which ruled nearly all of Central Asia till India from 1097-1231, when they were crushed by Genghis Khan.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Harzemshah is a plain black flag.
Area: Persia, Southern Caucasia, Dagistan, Afghanistan and most of Central Asia.
(Total Area - 5,000,000 Km²)



The "GOLDEN HORDE" - 1224 - 1502 A.D
(Altınordu Devleti)

Founder - Batur Khan
Additional information:
The Golden Horde, the Mongol Khanate in Russia, was established in the mid-XIIIth century and lasted till the XVth century.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Golden Horde is white with a red crescent pointing upwards, placed above a grey disk charged with a black symbol.
Area: Eastern Europe, the Western Ural Area, the Crimea and the area to the north of the Volga.





The "EMPIRE OF TIMUR KHAN" - 1369 - 1501 A.D
(Büyük Timur İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Timur Gurgani
Additional information:
Timurids: Barlas Turkish family founded by Timur (Tamerlane), who rose to power in the mid-XIVth century in Transoxiana and spent his long reign in far-ranging and immensely destructive campaigns, overrunning Iran, Iraq, Asia Minor and the domain of the Golden Horde in Southern Russia. He sacked Delhi in 1398 and temporarily broke the power of the Ottoman Turks at Ankara in 1402. On his death his large empire in Iran and Transoxiana became divided among his descendants and shrank rapidly over the XVth century amid family quarrels. The last minor prince of the dynasty, Babür, was expelled from Farghana by the Shaibanids, conquerors of Transoxiana, and established himself at Kabul. In 1526, he defeated and killed the Lodi sultan of Delhi, becoming master of northern India and founding the Moghul empire. (Source: R.F. Tapsell, Monarchs, Rulers, Dynasties and Kingdoms of the World, 1983)
Flag: The alleged flag of the Great Timur Empire is blue with three white disks placed 1 + 2 in the middle of the flag. Other reported flag of the Great Timur Empire is white, red and black, colours of peace, blood and death.
Area: At the West, Balkans; At the North, Volga shores; At the South, Indian Ocean; At the East, Central Asia;



The "EMPIRE OF BABUR" - 1526 - 1858 A.D
(Babür İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Babur Shah
Additional information:
Babür descended from the Timurids in Fergana, was expelled from there by the Shaibanids and fled to India, which he conquered. He founded the Moghal (or Moghul) dynasty, which ruled from 1526 to 1857.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Babür Empire is red with a yellow triangle placed all along the fly and pointing to the middle of the hoist.
Area: Afghanistan and India
(Total Area - 2,700,000 Km²)



The "OTTOMAN EMPIRE " - 1299 - 1922 A.D
(Osmanlı İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Osman Bey
Additional information:
The Ottoman Empire preceded the modern Turkish Republic.
Flag: The alleged flag of the Ottoman Empire is red with a white crescent and an eight-pointed star.
Area: Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Arabia, Jordan, Israel, Syria, Iraq, Anatolia, Caucasia, the Crimea, Bessarabia, Romania, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Hungary, the Sudan,.....and, the Black Sea, the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea were for a time - Turkish Lakes.
(Total Area - 20,000,000 Km²)

[Emanoelkurdistani]

[quote="zportoshki"]hahahahahahahahaha

never
hahahahaha

Avars
Khazars
Karluks
Turgesh
Oghuz
Gokturk




The "GREAT HUN EMPIRE" - 204 B.C - 216 A.D


The "WESTERN HUN EMPIRE" - 48 - 216 A.D
(Batı Hun İmparatorluğu)



The "EUROPEAN HUN EMPIRE" - 275 - 454 A.D
(Avrupa Hun İmparatorluğu)




The "WHITE HUN EMPIRE" - 420 - 552 A.D
(Ak Hun İmparatorluğu)

Founder - Aksuvar (Aksungur)


The "GOKTURK EMPIRE" - 552 - 743 A.D
(Göktürk İmparatorluğu)



The "AVAR EMPIRE" - 562 - 796 A.D
(Avar İmparatorluğu)



The "HAZAR EMPIRE" - 602 - 1016 A.D
(Hazar İmparatorluğu)



The "UYGUR EMPIRE" - 740 - 1335 A.D
(Uygur Devleti)



The "KARAHAN" - 932 - 1212 A.D
(Karahanlılar)



The "GAZNELI EMPIRE" - 962 - 1183 A.D
(Gazneliler)



The "SELCUK EMPIRE" - 1040 - 1157 A.D
(Büyük Selçuk İmparatorluğu



The "HARZEMSHAH" - 1077 - 1231 A.D
(Harzemşahlar)



The "GOLDEN HORDE" - 1224 - 1502 A.D
(Altınordu Devleti)



The "EMPIRE OF TIMUR KHAN" - 1369 - 1501 A.D
(Büyük Timur İmparatorluğu)



The "EMPIRE OF BABUR" - 1526 - 1858 A.D
(Babür İmparatorluğu)



The "OTTOMAN EMPIRE " - 1299 - 1922 A.D
(Osmanlı İmparatorluğu)[/qoute]


Huns, Gokturks, Ottomans, Timur Lane, etc. were originally "invadors". Huns, Avars, Timur Lane, Goldern Hordes are exactly the symbols of "Destroying Civilizatons" rather than being signs of it! Those of Khazar were originally Jewish whom are supposed to be mixed up with Turks. The rest, Khwarazmshahian, Seljuqiyan, etc. were Turkish invading dynasties who adopted Iranian culture. For your knowladge, Dr. Igonrant, I must say "Khwarazmshahian" (since the lack of knowledge Turks, they pronounce it as "Harzemshah") ended up due to the Turco-Mongol attack of Nomadic Barbarian tribes. The story of Khwarazshahi Prince battle against Turco-Mongol invadors is fairly famous in Iranian literature. Go improve your history.

Besides all of these you mentioned are "governments", but I was talking about "civilizations"!
Ok poor guy, sorry I had forgotten there is no original Turkish word in meaning of "civilization"!

Let's in the spheres suppose Oquz and Ottoman Turks once upon a time possessed a great civilization, so would plz (I beg you!) tell me what is the Turkish word for "city", "village" or "civilization"!!! Or maybe you are gonna say Great Golden Super-man Turkish Civilization had no cities nor any villages and just was founded on the Nomadic Central Asian and Siberian tents?!!

[zportoshki]

our civilization everywhere.
but you don't want to see that beceuse you hate Turks.
I want to say the same question
where is your ''civilization''? in zagros mountains?

Mostar


Drina-Serbian Bosnia


Albania-Tirana


macedonia-scopye capital


Prizren Kosovo






Damascus
Railway station
istanbul-Hijaz railway (1908)


madina station


famous amman railway bridge


samarkand


Bukhara


Crimea-Ukraina
ak mescid


istanbul






konya









WHY THAT ''INVADORS'' BUILDED MOSQUES,BRIDGES,RAILWAYS,PALACES,SCHOOLS,HOSPITALS ????



Divan-i Lugat-i Turks
1000 years old Turkish -Arabian dictionary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_al-Kashgari


Ulug Bey


one of the most famous astronomer, mathematicians in the world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulugh_Beg


Ali Kuşçu
Famous Turkish Turkish astronomer, mathematician, physicist and scientist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Ku%C5%9F%C3%A7u


istanbul museum
first museum in the islamic world
founded 150 years ago



Frist democratic republic founed in te eastern world
AZERBAIJAN 1918

[talsor]

WOW , All the above and you still have the mentality of a Donkey ,
if that tell us for sure that you build none of the above and you are still the barberians that you are and it shows very well in your attitude .

[zportoshki]

WOW , All the above and you still have the mentality of a Donkey ,
if that tell us for sure that you build none of the above and you are still the barberians that you are and it shows very well in your attitude .

you have any thing?
only one




Look
Middle of Belgarade
Turkish Mosque
Turks live still there since 15th centry


Tatar Turks and Anatolia Turks founded a Turkish- islamic center in Tokya
First and one mosque in Japan



http://www.tokyocamii.org/english/info/index.html

[Sirwan]

ROFLAMo turkoman kid! now all islamic history with the greek-Armenian architect suddenly become turkish?!!

[zportoshki]

ROFLAMo turkoman kid! now all islamic history with the greek-Armenian architect suddenly become turkish?!!

There are thousent turkish buildings from Bosnia to China.
Bridges,hospitals,mosques,schools,roads,railways,ports...

do you have anything ?
waht did you for islam ?
ha? terrorism ? support usa? help from israel ?
not zero...kurd=nothing

can you tell me ?

[Sirwan]

ROFLAMo turkoman kid! now all islamic history with the greek-Armenian architect suddenly become turkish?!!

There are thousent turkish buildings from Bosnia to China.
Bridges,hospitals,mosques,schools,roads,railways,ports...

do you have anything ?
waht did you for islam ?
ha? terrorism ? support usa? help from israel ?
not zero...kurd=nothing

can you tell me ?

First of all Turks never built anything! It was all Greeks, armennian or Persian architects who built things!
A good wittness for this is ''Rumi'''s quote!!

Second there are thousands of castles, palaces and mosques built by hands of Kurds in Kurdistan, (and not Greeks, Armenians and Persians as in case of turks!); but you have no knowledge about them is your own problem and ignorance.

Thirdly it was Turks who attacked other nations in the name of Islam and not Kurds. It was turks who defamed Islam, not Kurds.
Finally It is a welknown fact that the relation turks have with americans and israeils can never be compared with that of Kurds. it's like 1000000000 to 1.

[zportoshki]

ROFLAMo turkoman kid! now all islamic history with the greek-Armenian architect suddenly become turkish?!!

There are thousent turkish buildings from Bosnia to China.
Bridges,hospitals,mosques,schools,roads,railways,ports...

do you have anything ?
waht did you for islam ?
ha? terrorism ? support usa? help from israel ?
not zero...kurd=nothing

can you tell me ?

First of all Turks never built anything! It was all Greeks, armennian or Persian architects who built things!
A good wittness for this is ''Rumi'''s quote!!

Second there are thousands of castles, palaces and mosques built by hands of Kurds in Kurdistan, (and not Greeks, Armenians and Persians as in case of turks!); but you have no knowledge about them is your own problem and ignorance.

Thirdly it was Turks who attacked other nations in the name of Islam and not Kurds. It was turks who defamed Islam, not Kurds.
Finally It is a welknown fact that the relation turks have with americans and israeils can never be compared with that of Kurds. it's like 1000000000 to 1.

you are realy funny
you cannot answer to my question

Turks conquested all of byzantine and eastern europe when your grand grand grandfather lives on zagros mountains with his donkeys

Hz Muhemmed said that ''istanbul will conquest oneday by muslims''
elhamdulillah turks conquested there

Bosnia and Albania became a muslim at the ottoman period elhamdulillah.
Sultan Suleiman sieged Vienna and he supported protestans against catholic church. He divied the christians
While Turks divide Christian europe and they play active role in the world policy, your grand grand grand father still living his donkeys on zagros mountains

and today
near zagros mountains

[Sirwan]

turkoman kid! Attacking other peoples lands is by no means civilisation. From a Kurdish point of vew it was much more honorable to stay in your homelands than attacking other nations like a dog. but of course turks were lower than dogs; they were wild wolfs!

[zportoshki]

:lol: turkoman kid! Attacking other peoples lands is by no means civilisation. From a Kurdish point of vew it was much more honorable to stay in your homelands than attacking other nations like a dog. but of course turks were lower than dogs; they were wild wolfs!

your pictures from a museum
about 1500 years ago Turkic tribes


look
this is not museum.
your kurds still live tribal

[Sirwan]

what an irony....
It's not a matter of time but of a sad reality:
If we look at the pictures we see the interesting symbolism incorporated in them.
The pictures posted by me show the oppressor, the aggressor... (turkic tribes)
the pictures posted by you show the oppressed, the innocent... (Kurds)

[zportoshki]

what an irony....
It's not a matter of time but of a sad reality:
If we look at the pictures we see the interesting symbolism incorporated in them.
The pictures posted by me show the oppressor, the aggressor... (turkic tribes)
the pictures posted by you show the oppressed, the innocent... (Kurds)

We are a nation
we have 7 independence states and 10 aoutonom region in the world

you are still live in tribal.
barzani el-messut is chief of Barzan tribe???? ha?
also his brother is nechirvan is '' foreign '' minister of brazan tribe ??? ha ?
family company
this is a ''state ?''
you are live in democratic country ???
saddam is better then barzani...

you talk about turks ? who are you ?

Turks founded 16 big empires in the histroy ...
http://www.turkiye.net/sota/empires.html
you ?

your 20 generations have lived under Ottoman and Seljuk flags...

[Sirwan]

16 what? hahahaha
altaic speaking tribes running here and there took over other peoples lands is by no means worth being glad for.
but if you realy think it is something important, then lets count empires, [and unlike the turks, ''civilised'' empires ] who spoke dialetcs related to Kurdish. they are by far more notable...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ir ... nd_empires