Capitalism, Socialism, or in between?

[Sunfire]

Socialism: Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

Capitalism: An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.

[dyaoko]

i voted for "In between, but closer to socialism"

because i vote for the side that dont charge me as hell , for studying...

i think young ppl in their young ages should use their time to study and to know the world and also have fun...
not to work in MacDonald to pay for university tution...

in captialist system , you have enough money when you are more than 40 years old but if you want my idea , i dont need that money ..in my 40th...
and when you become 40 years old you must pay for your children's tution...
a HIGH tuition...
but in a socialist system, "you" and "everybody" pay a "little tax" not a HIGH TUITON ,so EVERY CHILDERN can study and have free medince
...without being have to put his best part of life ,working in MacDonald...

[Sunfire]

that tax wouldn't neccesarily be little, medya

[dyaoko]

well , but i know it is less than univesity tuion...
a normal foolish univeisty in usa , charges me , 30 K per year...

but if you never never pay 30K $ pery year for TAX in a social sysstem ,
capitalism is just bad for SO SO SO RICH ppl. because they have to pay a lot of tax.... and I realy ask myself , for what these so so so so so rich ppl want money...
they can always buy what they want...so whey they need extra money.

[Sunfire]

It doens't matter. People should be able to keep the money they earn.

edit: if rich people have so much money that they don't know what to do with it, they can give it away to charities that fund university/college tuitions. people should be able to chose to do what they want with THEIR money.

[dyaoko]

so you think a young man should work as hell to study ...even if he is so talented and he can benefit the world ..
may be he can discover something new...but he has to work in McDonal until he has money to study...

in the other hand RICH SICK PPL , just want to collect money in their account...and they really dont know why... most of the rich ppl becmoe SICK , nothing can satisfy them except more money in their account...they just collect it until they die... and nobody will use the money...

the money should be in the hand of Clever ppl , so they THINK AND DO RESEARCH AND SEE how they can spend the money...

not all of the money be in an 90years old man ...who just wants to have more money...and even if he is a good kind man, he can never do resaser and see what the country needs to buy it.

only the governmetn can say what the government needs to spend the tax money for it.

[Sunfire]

so you think a young man should work as hell to study ...even if he is so talented and he can benefit the world ..
may be he can discover something new...but he has to work in McDonal until he has money to study...

If someone is talented enough, they don't HAVE to work at McDonalds. I'm talented with computers. I can make a lot more money fixing and building comptuers now, before I go to college.

in the other hand RICH SICK PPL , just want to collect money in their account...and they really dont know why... most of the rich ppl becmoe SICK , nothing can satisfy them except more money in their account...they just collect it until they die... and nobody will use the money...

Those people have the right to collect money in their account. If they are willing to work hard enough to earn it.

the money should be in the hand of Clever ppl , so they THINK AND DO RESEARCH AND SEE how they can spend the money...

Clever people are the ones who earn the money.

[dyaoko]

Clever people are the ones who earn the money.

really ? guess that my father is rich , he dies...
i am an asshole moron , i get all of his money, then I lend money to ppl , and get 20% intrest from them...oh i am so celever...yeah
i buy a factory and employ cheap Young STUDENTSL to work in my facroty ...

yeah i am so celever..

[Sunfire]

really ? guess that my father is rich , he dies...
i am an asshole moron , i get all of his money, then I lend money to ppl , and get 20% intrest from them...oh i am so celever...yeah
i buy a factory and employ cheap Young STUDENTSL to work in my facroty ...

yeah i am so celever..

Most countries have laws regarding child labor. But even such, if you have the money, and your friends agree to pay you back with 20% interest, then you have a right to that interest. Your father has a right to will you the money, which he earned and has the right to do whatever he wants with.

[dyaoko]

Most countries have laws regarding child labor. But even such, if you have the money, and your friends agree to pay you back with 20% interest, then you have a right to that interest. Your father has a right to will you the money, which he earned and has the right to do whatever he wants with.

i didnt meant children i meant uni studetns , and that kind of system , resluts the End of Faith .The End of Humanity.
each human costs nothing exceept he has money.

but in a socila system , weather you have money or not, you are a human, and you can study for free or for cheap.
where you are rich or not, becuase you are a human you deserve medial care...just becausse you are humain....

Capitalism also drives the country out of the way of science and technology...
it drives you to where the RICH men wants...to where the Bill Gates wants... not to where an Artist wants, and Poet wants a Scenitst wants .

capitalism is the end of humanity and faith.

[Sunfire]

Bill Gates and CEOs like him have pushed technology further, and in a Socialist government, that wouldn't have happened. In a Socialist government, there is no reward for working hard. Everyone gets a fair share no matter how much they do. That takes value away from human work. I don't know about Iran, but in America there is plenty of Art, Science and Technology, and we are capitalist.

[dyaoko]

sure the Bill Gates has done many good jobs, but all of us know , that if he had shared his windows with other comapnies...and let them work on it , we had a so much bettter windows...today we see Linux is so much better in many cases than windows... but linux isnt rich enough to be famous...

because Bill Gates is so rich, he dont want to share it anybody else...so the technology goes to a wrong place...

i didnt say in capitalism you dont have ART...i said in Capitalist countres. artist / scientist / ... who are not rich can not affect their country...only the rich one can...

a RICH man decides which singer should be famous...
we all know britney spears isnt that much cool but beecasue she do what the Rich Companies want,...then those companies help her to be famous...

but i know many good american artists /musician that no company wants to make them famous , because it is not in those RICH Companies strategies to have such a musics in the comunnity...

[Sunfire]

sure the Bill Gates has done many good jobs, but all of us know , that if he had shared his windows with other comapnies...and let them work on it , we had a so much bettter windows...today we see Linux is so much better in many cases than windows... but linux isnt rich enough to be famous...

Linux is better in some ways... but it's not nearly as user-friendly as Windows, and If it was, it would be more popular and it would make more money. Also, the organizations that create Linux are non-profit, therefore they cannot get as far as if they were for profit.

a RICH man decides which singer should be famous...
we all know britney spears isnt that much cool but beecasue she do what the Rich Companies want,...then those companies help her to be famous...

That is right, but people can be smart enough to find their own musical artists. All of the music I listen to isn't famous.

[abdur]

I also voted for "In between, but closer to socialism".

When i compare my country Holland with the USA i see "cruel" things in american society like too many people living in poverty and a lot of homeless/drugs-addicts which is the trash can of the capitalist system. They have no life and little chance to get back in society. It's more like everybody for themselves and if you somehow got fired you just have bad luck.

I have to admit its hard to keep the dutch system working because of lazy people who can easily stop with their jobs, and also the more elderly people (graying?) we get. But there are ways to do it and i hope we dont turn into a cold system where only the strongest and smartest survives (jungle-law).

[Shalaw]

[In between, but closer to Capitalism]

Although a centralized government having controll is good... but lets be more ideal, most governments or should i say all are hustling for their own pockets. Of course ppl are like sheep and the government saddly would have to have some controll on the market.. for the best hopfully.